Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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zeppelin128 said:
Charlotttesville's mayor tweeted that the riots were fomented by Trump's race-baiting during the campaign, stoking tensions. This isn't the whole story, but I think there is a lot of truth in this. I don't think Trump is a racist, but I do think he took a political strategy to gain support too far. The alt-right thinks they have reason to come out of the shadows since he won, like some sort of sick justification for their horrific thoughts and actions. This is only the beginning of the resurgence of neo-Nazis. Like any terrorist, they will get more violent to prove their sick platform.

They are scum of the Earth, and have no place in civilized society. They are traitors to liberty.
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I disagree totally.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's disturbing that Trump won't explicitly say he condemns the white supremacists. This mealy mouthed "all sides" thing just looks like he's trying not to offend the white supremacists that voted for him. David Duke and other white supremacists have said he needs to continue to back them because they are who got him into office.

I mean, he could say he condemns white supremacists and then also say he condemns counter proestors that resort to violence. Why not just say that?
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Look, LG is outraged again.

Surprise!!!'
 
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golfballs said:
You know what the real Nazis want? They want these statues to be torn down. It helps their movement. Instead on focusing on and rooting out actual racism, the left goes after historical objects and symbols. Things MANY people don't have a problem with and if anything support.
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No different than the Taliban destroying monuments and antiquities.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course it is. No one believes that.

I personally believe only about 10% are hard core racist.
About 20% are moderate racists.
About 20% are mild racists.
About 50% are hardly racists at all.
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I would love to know what your distinction is between "moderate" and "mild".

Either way, you assume that all Trump supporters are at least racist with extra mild sauce. Whatever...
 
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NashVol11 said:
Because it was waved over their heads when they were slaves?

Did that ever happen with the "African unity flag?"
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When exactly were they slaves? This is the BS that annoys me. Slavery was a dark time in our countries history, but it's in the past. It is not a problem in our country TODAY. None of these counter-protesters have ever been subjected to slavery. I'm sure many of us have ancestors that experienced bad, unjust times, but we don't act as if we were the ones who experienced it. As long as we keep holding onto the past as if we were the ones who lived it, we will never craft a better future.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's disturbing that Trump won't explicitly say he condemns the white supremacists. This mealy mouthed "all sides" thing just looks like he's trying not to offend the white supremacists that voted for him. David Duke and other white supremacists have said he needs to continue to back them because they are who got him into office.

I mean, he could say he condemns white supremacists and then also say he condemns counter proestors that resort to violence. Why not just say that?
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You guys on the left made the same kind of attacks on a good man named Ron Paul. Yet, I've never seen you all push Obama to call out "Islamic terrorism".
 
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Septic said:
I had no idea what the 'dailystormer' was, I looked up the site and then the Alexa rank.

I am both astonished and saddened.
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This guy is a piece of work too. They are just freely coming out of the woodwork now.
 

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Weezer said:
When exactly were they slaves? This is the BS that annoys me. Slavery was a dark time in our countries history, but it's in the past. It is not a problem in our country TODAY. None of these counter-protesters have ever been subjected to slavery. I'm sure many of us have ancestors that experienced bad, unjust times, but we don't act as if we were the ones who experienced it. As long as we keep holding onto the past as if we were the ones who lived it, we will never craft a better future.
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We were talking about disliking the Confederate flag. Does one have to have been a slave to receive your approval to dislike the Confederate flag? Must one have been in a concentration camp before you allow them to dislike the Nazi flag?

To use your words, this is the BS that annoys me.
 
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DynaLo said:
From my peanut gallery seats, I see a war brewing. Using bull crap rhetoric and stereotyping, our politicians and the media are stirring the pot towards a cultural implosion. Unfortunately, everyone is to pissed off by it all to see the path they are being herded down by both sides of the political isle. I've sadly reached the point where I stay locked and loaded and just hope the revolution waits until after football season. GBO!
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These fools are so hellbent on aligning with their party or ideology that they don't even see that we have a lot more in common with each other than we realize. We also are too focused on the trivial that we don't see that we have a common enemy. This enemy hates people coming together and working independently from a centralized authority. They want to destroy the nuclear family, destroy common decency and universally held scruples, and want to enslave all of humanity by putting on us on a millstone for our entire lives while dangling the carrot of "The American Dream", "retirement", "law and order" and "spreading freedom".
 
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DynaLo said:
Having been on the receiving end of those snap judgements, I try not to do the same to others. Let's blow up some stereotypes. I'm a retired female tattoo artist that loves bikes, weapons and football. I realized long ago that I'm a bit of an oddity to society's norms, but I doubt wearing the Mensa membership card on a lanyard around my neck would change much.

Our society sees with a closed mind and until that changes nothing else will. Stereotyping is killing our country and your percentages need to be reversed in order for true forward progress to be achieved.

From my peanut gallery seats, I see a war brewing. Using bull crap rhetoric and stereotyping, our politicians and the media are stirring the pot towards a cultural implosion. Unfortunately, everyone is to pissed off by it all to see the path they are being herded down by both sides of the political isle. I've sadly reached the point where I stay locked and loaded and just hope the revolution waits until after football season. GBO!
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I'm all for blowing up stereotypes. I like to do it myself. My 85% 15% numbers were just an example. If more people start looking like X but don't fit into the 85% category, then the numbers will change to 80 - 20 and then to 75 -25. In the early 60's only "trampy" women got their ears pierced (at least according to my mom) but as more and more "non-trampy" women got their ears pierced, that stereotype was busted to eventual non existence. That's just the way the world works. As individuals, you just ensure that you remain open minded enough to know that stereotypes are based on past observations and only represent a snapshot of probability, and it's a probability that is constantly changing.
 
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