Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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luthervol said:
My side (or at least I do) preaches against assuming your stereotyping is correct and not having the wisdom or willingness to look deeper and adjust your stereotypes as things change over time...........big difference.
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So, to assume all Trump supporters are racists may be an overreach?
 
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Grand Vol said:
It was a sincere hope you'd actually use your brain for a change and read, comprehend and perhaps see the bigger picture rather than be one of the brainwashed masses that focus attention on symbols instead of the real problem.

I guess I was wrong since you didn't read or comprehend it.
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Me saying lots of black people aren't fans of the Confederate flag means that every single one of those people is blind to "the real problem?"

How do you know that? Oh, you don't? Shocking.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A month or so ago, I got battered in here for people over-reacting to a piece of cloth called the American flag. Now, I call the Confederate flag a piece of cloth and the level of outrage is no where near the same. Yet my point about both is the same. It amazes me how grown adults (on both sides) can get so butt hurt over flags, symbolism and other things that don't really matter.
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Likely the same folks are saying one is okay, the other isn't.

However, I do draw the line at those idiots wiping their ass with the American flag. Of course, that was more for attention rather than a political statement. Kind of like the antifa groups in that regard.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Allow me to back track or clarify what I said one more time.

If you asked a random group of black people what is the biggest concern in their lives right now, the Confederate flag probably would show up as anyone's top problem. Police brutality, jobs and education would dominate.
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I agree with this.

It's certainly not one of my biggest concerns, but apparently saying "a lot of people don't really like that flag" is the Bat signal for a flood of Dr. Phils wanting to psychoanalyze and change me.
 
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carlos86 said:
The Nazis are celebrating Trump's reaction to Charlottesville.
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Grand Vol said:
Likely the same folks are saying one is okay, the other isn't.

However, I do draw the line at those idiots wiping their ass with the American flag. Of course, that was more for attention rather than a political statement. Kind of like the antifa groups in that regard.
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If we don't show the same reverence and respect to the law of the land (The Constitution), then none of the symbolism and flag waving means diddly-squat. The one thing that separates this country from the rest is The Constitution and how it is supposed to empower the people and set limits on the government. It is the document that all our country's lawmakers, armed forces, judges and law enforcement officials swear by oath to protect. Yet, if we attack the Bill of Rights every chance we get, then that flag means nothing.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Me saying lots of black people aren't fans of the Confederate flag means that every single one of those people is blind to "the real problem?"

How do you know that? Oh, you don't? Shocking.
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Not all of them, obviously, but enough to keep the division lines intact.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If we don't show the same reverence and respect to the law of the land (The Constitution), then none of the symbolism and flag waving means diddly-squat. The one thing that separates this country from the rest is The Constitution and how it is supposed to empower the people and set limits on the government. It is the document that all our country's lawmakers, armed forces, judges and law enforcement officials swear by oath to protect. Yet, if we attack the Bill of Rights every chance we get, then that flag means nothing.
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Yeah, you and I both know that time of empowering people is long since past.
 
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McDad said:
Any guesses on the Alexa rank of "dailystormer"?
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I had no idea what the 'dailystormer' was, I looked up the site and then the Alexa rank.

I am both astonished and saddened.
 
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NashVol11 said:
And it's your duty to ensure that I'm not one of them, and to change my mind if I am. How noble
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lol, this is the time Ras chimes in with his "duty bound" comment.

No, I'm asking, nothing duty related, to open your eyes and look larger. Who benefits more from a divided society? The masses in the division ranks or those actively promoting it from the top level? What? You think those idiots in Congress don't realize they stay in power as long as the masses keep voting down the (R) or (D) ticket? Do you honestly think David Duke or Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan would have the power or riches they hold today if people weren't divided?

This transcends the whole "I saw a Confederate flag and it invoked negative emotions" process of thought. You see a piece of cloth and it invokes the division deep in that brain of yours. And what you aren't getting is you marginalize those people by taking away what they crave. By being united instead of picking sides as un-equals. And none of this promoting one group as better than the other. Black, white, yellow, brown, red...all lives matter.

If you can't see how a piece of cloth is continuing the division because of what you have been taught to believe, I can't help you. Because I'd be willing to bet there are more than a few that fly that piece of cloth and aren't racist at all. But the first thing that comes to mind is "racist" because the extreme few ruined it for everyone.

I still ask the question, what's the difference in the Confederate flag and the Pan-African flag?
 
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Grand Vol said:
lol, this is the time Ras chimes in with his "duty bound" comment.

No, I'm asking, nothing duty related, to open your eyes and look larger. Who benefits more from a divided society? The masses in the division ranks or those actively promoting it from the top level? What? You think those idiots in Congress don't realize they stay in power as long as the masses keep voting down the (R) or (D) ticket? Do you honestly think David Duke or Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan would have the power or riches they hold today if people weren't divided?

This transcends the whole "I saw a Confederate flag and it invoked negative emotions" process of thought. You see a piece of cloth and it invokes the division deep in that brain of yours. And what you aren't getting is you marginalize those people by taking away what they crave. By being united instead of picking sides as un-equals. And none of this promoting one group as better than the other. Black, white, yellow, brown, red...all lives matter.

If you can't see how a piece of cloth is continuing the division because of what you have been taught to believe, I can't help you. Because I'd be willing to bet there are more than a few that fly that piece of cloth and aren't racist at all. But the first thing that comes to mind is "racist" because the extreme few ruined it for everyone.

I still ask the question, what's the difference in the Confederate flag and the Pan-African flag?
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How do you know I'm not looking larger? How do you know that saying "I don't really like this flag" means that it is "invoking division" in my mind? And who the hell is saying that black people are "better" than white people? Even BLM doesn't do that.

Your question has long since been answered. You're asking it again because you're waiting to tell me that they're basically the same thing. Have fun with that.
 
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Didn't Thomas Jefferson actually OWN slaves? Why aren't the snowflakes trying to erase him from history as well as a soldier?
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Politics aside, yesterday was an awful moment for this country.
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Agree, unfortunately I think it's only the beginning.

Rich Lowry sums it up best:

We aren’t experiencing anything like the level of political violence of the late-1960s and mid-1970s. But we now have two fringes on the right and the left, the white nationalists and anti-fa, who have a taste for violence, love the thrill and attention that comes with it, and are probably going to grow stronger rather than weaker. Depressing.
 
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So the ACLU of Virginia - who supported the rally - reported that Charlottesville police were given stand down orders. As soon as it started getting rowdy they should have been all over that ****, not standing down
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So, to assume all Trump supporters are racists may be an overreach?
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Of course it is. No one believes that.

I personally believe only about 10% are hard core racist.
About 20% are moderate racists.
About 20% are mild racists.
About 50% are hardly racists at all.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
From what I have read there has been some criticism of the police force and how they prepared for the situation. Allowing the groups to intermingle and basically have free reign

White nationalists are just as despicable as Al Qaeda.
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As are the black lives matter/ black nationalist.


In 2017 anyone who thinks they're better/worse than another person based on genetic markers in their DNA that determine skin color is a ****ing moron.
 
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