What's in the Senate health care bill?

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MT LeConte said:
McConnell is suggesting a vote to repeal the ACA with a two year delay. I can't see this passing. The Republicans don't want a new healthcare bill to be THE issue during midterms. Every poll has shown that the plans the Republicans have put forward are overwhelmingly unpopular.
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Sadly this strategy has worked in the past for the Dems and will work now for the Reps.
There really is no difference in the two
 
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tumscalcium said:
Are you suggesting Obamacare is not a disaster?
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I'm suggesting the health care industry is a disaster and has been heading that way for 40 years. ACA was several steps in the right direction and a couple in the wrong direction. Keep what is good, tweak what needs tweaking, and add what needs adding.
 
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lawgator1 said:
All you guys towing the company line about what an abject disaster the ACA is.

Ought to be easy to repeal and replace, right?
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Yes, it should be. But we have spineless Congressmen who refuse to make the hard decisions.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, it should be. But we have spineless Congressmen who refuse to make the hard decisions.
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health insurance because of the ACA. People with pre-existing conditions were protected, as they should be. There were other benefits. As someone says above, it improve the disastrous health-care situation in America in a few ways. Conservatives who wailed about ACA for years have been proved wrong.
 
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armchair said:
health insurance because of the ACA. People with pre-existing conditions were protected, as they should be. There were other benefits. As someone says above, it improve the disastrous health-care situation in America in a few ways. Conservatives who wailed about ACA for years have been proved wrong.
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Nobody has been proven wrong. If the Rs do nothing the ACA will collapse on it's own.
 
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Repeal with a two year delay. Does the GOP really think that their base is dumb enough to think that is actually doing something?

Wait. Scratch that.
 
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hog88 said:
Nobody has been proven wrong. If the Rs do nothing the ACA will collapse on it's own.
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Especially if the Trump administration continues to choke off support for the weaker markets and none of the obvious fixes are considered so as to kill it more than have it collapse itself.
 
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Repeal Obamacare. Eliminate private health insurance. Eliminate Medicare, Medicaid etc. Make medical treatment COD. No exceptions. No money, no healthcare.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Especially if the Trump administration continues to choke off support for the weaker markets and none of the obvious fixes are considered so as to kill it more than have it collapse itself.
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ACA was an ill conceived piece of legislation from the start, then Obama compounded the mistake by delaying implementation of parts to appease various supporters.

We shouldn't need to subsidize the insurance carriers (I know that's what you mean by support) to keep them in certain markets.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Repeal Obamacare. Eliminate private health insurance. Eliminate Medicare, Medicaid etc. Make medical treatment COD. No exceptions. No money, no healthcare.
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That would certainly be a boom for the Shaman and faith healers. Might even bring back the old magic elixir chuckwagons.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Are we up to three repeal nos yet?

I believe we are.
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They are at lunch talking about it now.

My prediction is that they get there and try to sell it this way:

"We have made good on the first key step in our effort to repeal and replace Obamacare. We have voted to repeal it and that will take effect in two years' time. Until then, we will work to stabilize all of the markets and make sure people continue to receive care. In the interim, we are creating a special blue ribbon panel of health care experts to help us craft a long term solution to our nation's health care needs and we will get that accomplished by the time the repeal legislation is slated to take effect."

You see, the beauty of it is that the 2 years runs out the year AFTER the 2018 mid terms. So they can claim they made good on the promise without actually doing a damn thing.

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There will be no vote on repealing ACA either. Again, it simply shows that ACA was actually a worthwhile piece of legislation, and that the GOP hysteria about it for years was fraudulent nonsense--which is pretty much what you get on every issue from the GOP, lots of lies and BS. They can't devise a better bill---a bill that is good for the country, because most conservatives simply don't want to spend any government money to help those in need. Hence bills that would kicks millions off their policies and have other undesirable effects--and hence defeat.
 
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armchair said:
There will be no vote on repealing ACA either. Again, it simply shows that ACA was actually a worthwhile piece of legislation, and that the GOP hysteria about it for years was fraudulent nonsense--which is pretty much what you get on every issue from the GOP, lots of lies and BS. They can't devise a better bill---a bill that is good for the country, because most conservatives simply don't want to spend any government money to help those in need. Hence bills that would kicks millions off their policies and have other undesirable effects--and hence defeat.
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I think what it shows is that it's extraordinarily hard to take things away once they've been given.
 
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Government is a good thing. Taxes are a good thing. Solid tax systems and government programs that help the needy are what hold nations together. Of course we have conservative hardliners who don't believe in taxes or in helping the poor/needy and possess a Darwinian viewpoint: They are GOP politicians, ninety percent of whom had a leg up in life when they were born and of course have a nice GOVERNMENT health policy. They want to help the wealthy and big corporations--neither of whom need any assistance--and deny help to those who do. Strange philosophy, that.

If Paul Ryan and his ilk had their way, there would be rioting in the streets--lots more social instability. We've already become a more unstable, poorer nation because of the conservative business policy of paying people poverty level wages. There are //tens of millions// of people working 40 hours a week and their income is below poverty level. If you are not well educated or lucky enough to find a job with upward mobility and that pays decently--and those jobs are far less numerous than they used to be, you are screwed. Most of the manufacturing jobs that paid well in the past are gone--and of course even those manufacturing jobs that remain pay far less than they used to. You want to spend less on Medicaid and food stamps, etc., how about paying workers a decent wage. $10 an hour in 2017 is an absolute (horrible) joke, I don't care what your age or education level is. Look around America--the country has become a nation of cheap--cheap stores selling cheap, foreign made goods to Americans who need cheap because they have crappy jobs. Trump, in his coarse, stupid, dishonest way, tapped into a lot of American anger about jobs and pay--but of course he promises were hollow. He filled his administration with the corporate fat cats who've all got filthy rich on the backs of badly bad working people. He loves the corporate fat cats. So do GOP congressmen. They have no intention of doing anything to help American workers or the majority of the American people--just the opposite.
 
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armchair said:
Government is a good thing. Taxes are a good thing. Solid tax systems and government programs that help the needy are what hold nations together. Of course we have conservative hardliners who don't believe in taxes or in helping the poor/needy and possess a Darwinian viewpoint: They are GOP politicians, ninety percent of whom had a leg up in life when they were born and of course have a nice GOVERNMENT health policy. They want to help the wealthy and big corporations--neither of whom need any assistance--and deny help to those who do. Strange philosophy, that.

If Paul Ryan and his ilk had their way, there would be rioting in the streets--lots more social instability. We've already become a more unstable, poorer nation because of the conservative business policy of paying people poverty level wages. There are //tens of millions// of people working 40 hours a week and their income is below poverty level. If you are not well educated or lucky enough to find a job with upward mobility and that pays decently--and those jobs are far less numerous than they used to be, you are screwed. Most of the manufacturing jobs that paid well in the past are gone--and of course even those manufacturing jobs that remain pay far less than they used to. You want to spend less on Medicaid and food stamps, etc., how about paying workers a decent wage. $10 an hour in 2017 is an absolute (horrible) joke, I don't care what your age or education level is. Look around America--the country has become a nation of cheap--cheap stores selling cheap, foreign made goods to Americans who need cheap because they have crappy jobs. Trump, in his coarse, stupid, dishonest way, tapped into a lot of American anger about jobs and pay--but of course he promises were hollow. He filled his administration with the corporate fat cats who've all got filthy rich on the backs of badly bad working people. He loves the corporate fat cats. So do GOP congressmen. They have no intention of doing anything to help American workers or the majority of the American people--just the opposite.
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So far everything trump and the Rs have done and are trying to do is weighted toward the wealthiest Americans and corporations. His tax cut proposals greatly benefit the wealthiest while throwing dry chicken bones to the middle class. The healthcare bill they tried to pass would have given even more tax breaks to the wealthy and done the most harm to the the poor, the chronically ill and the middle class.

By the way all of the Trump clothing, merchandise, and hotel and resort amenities are still being produced outside the USA. He hasn't taken even the first step to change that.

He claimed to be and was touted as a Populist, a man for the people. BS, he and all of his cronies are elitists, in it only for themselves and their kind.
 
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I will give Trump credit for one thing. He does not mind letting people go untreated and die if he can get some political mileage out of it. At least he admits it. The others are thinking it, but he says it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I will give Trump credit for one thing. He does not mind letting people go untreated and die if he can get some political mileage out of it. At least he admits it. The others are thinking it, but he says it.
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They'll all be dead in the streets. We'll need crews dedicated to mass body cleanup.
 
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