To Protect and to Serve II

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Maybe she mentioned throwing a little shrimp on the barbie or called him a Sheila. Surely there's going to be audio of what happened. By this point they would have enough to go on to release why the officer shot her if he had a legitimate reason.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I don't know how pointing out that a cop is unlikely to get there fast enough in many scenarios is being misconstrued as offensive. Cops aren't omnipotent and omnipresent, it's not a knock, just a fact. That's why people buy guns for home defense.

Get a grip.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Imagine it from his perspective. He's been there in the middle, he's stopped in progress violent crimes and it's being said that cops arrive after the fact.

It's like telling a stay at home mom of three that she doesn't do anything all day when in reality she gets the kids ready, feeds them, drops them off, cleans the house, laundry, goes to the grocery store, picks the kids up and takes them to extracurricular activities, comes home, cooks dinner, washes the dishes, bathes all the kids, gets them ready for bed, puts them to bed and finally has a moment to sit at 9:00 but the husband wants some action and says "how can you be tired? you don't work"
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Unfortunately, cops keep coming up with new material. Of course, that usually comes at the expense of someone's life or freedoms.
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All of this based on one sided stories, incomplete/edited videos, and speculation. Like I said, circle jerk.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Putting aside any bias based on what I do for a living, what I have found after having tried a number of cases involving allegations of police misconduct is that most people begin with the presumption that the officer was trying to do the right thing. They believe that they are hard-working and motivated by good things.

Not to say they just blindly accept it, and if a plaintiff can prove the officer acted wrongly they will be quick to find in favor of the plaintiff. But the starting point I think for most people is that the other side needs to prove the officer did something wrong, rather than the other way around.
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um that's the way our justice system is set up. innocent before proven guilty and all that jazz...?
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, I'm waiting for eyewitnesses and forensics to tell us something.

I mean, are you not a little skeptical of the claim that cops pulled up, she went to the driver and started explaining what she saw, and for no reason the passenger took his gun out and shot past his partner to kill her for no reason?
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Who made this claim? I didn't know it existed to be skeptical of it.
 
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utvols88 said:
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Imagine it from his perspective. He's been there in the middle, he's stopped in progress violent crimes and it's being said that cops arrive after the fact.

It's like telling a stay at home mom of three that she doesn't do anything all day when in reality she gets the kids ready, feeds them, drops them off, cleans the house, laundry, goes to the grocery store, picks the kids up and takes them to extracurricular activities, comes home, cooks dinner, washes the dishes, bathes all the kids, gets them ready for bed, puts them to bed and finally has a moment to sit at 9:00 but the husband wants some action and says "how can you be tired? you don't work"
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Not a very good analogy because in the mom example, she's being told she doesn't do anything all day. Huff didn't say cops didn't do anything but fill reports, that was assumed what Huff meant and he (and others) missed Huff's point completely.

It doesn't change the fact he had an irrational, emotional response on par with the triggered responses that one side so regularly ridicules when the other side does it.
 
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or better yet, if this is a thread about deaths from malpractice or wrong decisions in the medical industry, which if I remember right has significantly more death than civilians from officers, and someone said the following

"doctors rarely know what is actually wrong. they just arbitrarily guess."

a vn doctor gets mad at that

other posters come on and say "well it's impossible to know every thing especially in a strangers body."

it diminishes the Doctors years of study, experience and to a degree, importance in the situation if he or she is just "guessing"
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Not a very good analogy because in the mom example, she's being told she doesn't do anything all day. Huff didn't say cops didn't do anything but fill reports, that was assumed what Huff meant and he (and others) missed Huff's point completely.

It doesn't change the fact he had an irrational, emotional response on par with the triggered responses that one side so reguarly ridicules when the other side does it.
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I put a better one after.

i get the explanation but also look at it from the other side. we have one poster say "he's never needed a cop"

we have others that are claiming they come after the fact to a guy who has already, this year, been there before or during and prevented escalation. he is there every day. he puts himself in those situations every day. y'all dont. I see where he is coming from too.
 
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utvols88 said:
or better yet, if this is a thread about deaths from malpractice or wrong decisions in the medical industry, which if I remember right has significantly more death than civilians from officers, and someone said the following

"doctors rarely know what is actually wrong. they just arbitrarily guess."

a vn doctor gets mad at that

other posters come on and say "well it's impossible to know every thing especially in a strangers body."

it diminishes the Doctors years of study, experience and to a degree, importance in the situation if he or she is just "guessing"
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And if Huff had said the equivalent to your doctor's example, you might have a point.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And I'm sorry you're too emotionally driven to understand his point.
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lol emotionally driven? I'm not a cop. I have zero emotional investment. As I prefaced my entire contribution, I'm looking at it through his eyes too. It's sad that we have so few people that even attempt to look at situations from both sides.
 
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utvols88 said:
lol emotionally driven? I'm not a cop. I have zero emotional investment. As I prefaced my entire contribution, I'm looking at it through his eyes too. It's sad that we have so few people that even attempt to look at situations from both sides.
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You want a cookie? It doesn't mean your analysis is correct just because you "look at it from both sides".

And yes, if you think what huff said is exactly what was said about the doctors in your example, then you are emotionally driven because you're reading into it what you think he meant, just like the other guy. If you think they are exactly the same, then you don't need to be throwing out insults about anyone else being dense and point that finger right back at you.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Not a very good analogy because in the mom example, she's being told she doesn't do anything all day. Huff didn't say cops didn't do anything but fill reports, that was assumed what Huuff meant and he (and others) missed Huff's point completely.

It doesn't change the fact he had an irrational, emotional response on par with the triggered responses that one side so regularly ridicules when the other side does it.
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I told you and Huff to conduct coitus upon your own bodies. Perhaps uncouth but, it was said with in a moment of clarity and with the utmost respect. :)
 
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n_huffhines said:
The article said it was for "no reason"?

If there is a reason, why hasn't it been explained, yet?
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No reason has been given, correct.

Then again, no information has been provided at all, really.

If I had to guess, there was something very strange going on and they are waiting on toxicology or something similar from the M.E.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No reason has been given, correct.

Then again, no information has been provided at all, really.

If I had to guess, there was something very strange going on and they are waiting on toxicology or something similar from the M.E.
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What exactly are you disputing from the article that I'm supposedly not skeptical of? I thought you were saying the claim was he shot her for no reason.
 
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This smacks of more young, badly trained or emotionally unsuitable officers screwing up royally--maybe even committing a crime. The driver was 25, the shooter was a second year officer. Both did not have their body cameras on, violating police procedure, to begin with. Since the woman did not have a weapon, the only plausible explanation is that the shooter panicked when the woman approached the car, perhaps mistaking her phone for a gun. You would think, being in an alley, that the cops would have had a car spotlight on, but we don't know. It's been reported that she was talking to the cops. If that in fact was the case, then the shooter must have had some sort of mental breakdown. Maybe she wasn't actually talking to the cops but approaching the window and talking to the driver as she did so, but the other cop did not recognize her benign intention and mistook her for a perp--tho perps tend to run and not approach police cars. It's hard to imagine any other explanation. Whatever the case, there is NOTHING that could possibly justify the shooting. Even if the woman was screaming at the cops, or abusive for some unknown reason, you don't pull out your gun. It was just a tragic f--k up by the shooter.

I think we have an issue with individuals who are simply not experienced enough, not smart enough, not possessing enough emotional stability to be a police officer. It's not just about passing a test or two and going through some training. There needs to be psychological testing of candidates for the force. Maybe that is done now, I don't know. There are a lot of mundane aspects of police work--but you also get into tense situations that require experience, coolness under pressure and a little courage. You can't pull your gun out every time you get nervous.
 
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