How well does Butch recruit?

#52
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Enki_Amenra said:
Haha, "get back to me on signing-day"?

This is the Twilight-Zone. Last cycle you guys were saying the exact opposite. The class wasn't looking great this time last year and all any of the negas could do was complain. Now that it's looking good, it's "Get back to me on signing-day". Good lawd.

The fact is that Jones has pulled in better classes, both in-state and throughout the country, than the previous coach - and it's not even close. In reality, he has recruited better than almost every other coach in the SEC.

What about attrition? Do people really believe UT is the only program that loses players or has highly-rated players that do not perform to expectations?

We're also not the only university with lower-rated prospects who over-perform.

All the gnashing of teeth will not change the fact that Jones has done a great job from where he started to where we are now.

I don't know how it is for you guys, but, looking at all the facts and considering the time frame, 2017 is the year UT should really do something. If he browns his pants this season, it will be very hard to ignore.
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You guys? Who is you guys?

Yes I admit he's been better in recruiting than almost every other SEC coach except for the 4-5 he wasn't.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I knew I was over-stating it, and none of it actually mattered. I'm sure none of the out-of -state decommits matter either.....though it's a much longer list.

Thanks....I feel much better.
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to be fair, the thread is about recruiting. not necessarily retention.

the attrition on the rosters has been sub par, especially for those 1st three classes he brought in.

but, as far as recruiting them goes....he has gotten them here...so there's that.:thumbsup:
 
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BeecherVol said:
Hit and miss really.
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simply put, yeah, it is. great we're getting them here, not so much that they're not all staying, especially some of the bigger names...williams, the whole hurd situation and the others that boro mentioned.

it's really kinda like everything else regarding Butch....good...then bad.....= slightly above average?

but on recruiting skill set alone, he's pretty good.....no real debate in my mind on that.
 
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jakez4ut said:
simply put, yeah, it is. great we're getting them here, not so much that they're not all staying, especially some of the bigger names...williams, the whole hurd situation and the others that boro mentioned.

it's really kinda like everything else regarding Butch....good...then bad.....= slightly above average?

but on recruiting skill set alone, he's pretty good.....no real debate in my mind on that.
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That is exactly why I stated that his recruiting is largely smoke and mirrors....which is what some initially took exception to. His classes have ranked no better than 5th in the Conference the last two years. His legendary recruiting status is somewhat overblown. He does pretty well Nationally...certainly better than his predecessor...but not enough to move into that top echelon in the conference. The legacy class was decimated by attrition after its lofty #2 ranking in the conference. It drops to the bottom half of the conference when revisited.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Top of my head....

2016

Emmit Gooden
Darel Middleton
Tim Hart
Dorian Banks

2017

Tee Higgins

2018

Shatar McClay

2019

Kendrell Scurry

I don't really have time to search for the transfers....obviously Vic Wharton and Happen Hurd come to mind. There's several more.

I'm sure there's an reason why none of these matter in the grand scheme.
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You're trying too hard. Tenn is still very much in it for Scurry and Gooden had no chance of qualifying (though I'm not sure why Tenn didn't pursue him at JC). Higgins is the only one that really hurts... and I will say that Butch must start doing a better job of recruiting WR's and developing them. That would be valid criticism.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
That is exactly why I stated that his recruiting is largely smoke and mirrors....which is what some initially took exception to. His classes have ranked no better than 5th in the Conference the last two years. His legendary recruiting status is somewhat overblown. He does pretty well Nationally...certainly better than his predecessor...but not enough to move into that top echelon in the conference. The legacy class was decimated by attrition after its lofty #2 ranking in the conference. It drops to the bottom half of the conference when revisited.
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yeah, i hear ya.... i think last year's class has a chance of bucking that trend, and this year's class seems pretty tight already. there's 3-4 pretty big time recruits left on this year's board that we're in pretty deep with. land them, or most of them,....i think this cycle has a chance to really add depth going forward. who knows, there may be a surprise or two also coming with this class....

this cycle is pretty important imo, for a lot of reasons.

and so far, so good.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You're trying too hard. Tenn is still very much in it for Scurry and Gooden had no chance of qualifying (though I'm not sure why Tenn didn't pursue him at JC). Higgins is the only one that really hurts... and I will say that Butch must start doing a better job of recruiting WR's and developing them. That would be valid criticism.
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Not "trying" to do anything other than answer the question. Those are in-state decommits which is what I was challenged to produce.
 
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jakez4ut said:
simply put, yeah, it is. great we're getting them here, not so much that they're not all staying, especially some of the bigger names...williams, the whole hurd situation and the others that boro mentioned.

it's really kinda like everything else regarding Butch....good...then bad.....= slightly above average?

but on recruiting skill set alone, he's pretty good.....no real debate in my mind on that.
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Hurd was that 12 point, Boone and Crockett buck hanging above the mantle that you shot off your own farm (instate). The perception of Hurd splitting on bad terms appeared to over ride what was probably better for both sides. That strung out longer than it should have.
Retention is a moving target. You have kids that you don't really know as people and in some cases athletes until they are here. Everybody deals with that to a degree.

I think he sells well as long as he can defend the product. What he does class 3 thru 6 tells me more that than his first 2 or 3.
Once you get that far down the road you re no longer selling a major overhaul of a roster and immediate guarantees, but more substantial things like team success and personal development for those with a shot at $.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, i hear ya.... i think last year's class has a chance of bucking that trend, and this year's class seems pretty tight already. there's 3-4 pretty big time recruits left on this year's board that we're in pretty deep with. land them, or most of them,....i think this cycle has a chance to really add depth going forward. who knows, there may be a surprise or two also coming with this class....

this cycle is pretty important imo, for a lot of reasons.

and so far, so good.
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I think the way this class finishes will be more dependent on where UT is or isn't Dec 1. than it has been in the past.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Not "trying" to do anything other than answer the question. Those are in-state decommits which is what I was challenged to produce.
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The Gooden de-commitment deserved some context and if you're going to make a big deal out of a few in-state de-commitments then it's only fair to credit Butch with his last minute in-state flip. Drew Richmond was verbally committed to Ole Miss for 5 months with many influences close to him pushing him there. Butch stayed after him and reeled him in.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I knew I was over-stating it, and none of it actually mattered. I'm sure none of the out-of -state decommits matter either.....though it's a much longer list.

Thanks....I feel much better.
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Of course you do yucking it up about we suck and how the man can't do anything right. Good job.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Hurd was that 12 point, Boone and Crockett buck hanging above the mantle that you shot off your own farm (instate). The perception of Hurd splitting on bad terms appeared to over ride what was probably better for both sides. That strung out longer than it should have.
Retention is a moving target. You have kids that you don't really know as people and in some cases athletes until they are here. Everybody deals with that to a degree.

I think he sells well as long as he can defend the product. What he does class 3 thru 6 tells me more that than his first 2 or 3.
Once you get that far down the road you re no longer selling a major overhaul of a roster and immediate guarantees, but more substantial things like team success and personal development for those with a shot at $.
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agree on all.
 
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I think if we were all judgement day honest we'd agree CBJ is a far better recruiter than we ever imagined when he was hired. Great? Good? IDK. But I've been pleased with his recruiting so far...
 
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