Butch to allow 7 on 7

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sjt18 said:
Even if true... and honestly I haven't really seen the kind of pressure to win at UT that would foster that level of desperation... desperation sometimes works to change the course of events.
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Can't disagree although I'm going to be mighty disappointed if the blind squirrel finds an acorn, gets a raise and extension, and promptly resumes duking it out for 3rd place in the East for the next 4-5 years. It's not my decision to make, but my opinion is that the benefits of Jones getting lucky this year is far outweighed by the potential damages of Jones getting lucky this year.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
The 🔥 under his seat is heating up!
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That might make him want to make sure nobody gets hurt.? With our injury situation the past 2 seasons, I would assume that would be at the forefront of his mind.

My thought was with a new QB (2), plenty of young receivers, and an underperforming 16' secondary, that Butch might see more reward than risk this year.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Can't disagree although I'm going to be mighty disappointed if the blind squirrel finds an acorn, gets a raise and extension, and promptly resumes duking it out for 3rd place in the East for the next 4-5 years. It's not my decision to make, but my opinion is that the benefits of Jones getting lucky this year is far outweighed by the potential damages of Jones getting lucky this year.
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Had he gotten "lucky" in 15' or 16', then it would have been called "skill" / "leadership". If the injury bug stays away and his "skill" / "leadership" rises us to the top in 17', it will now be called "luck". Sounds like a great philosophy.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
There's only one change I need to see.
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You do realize by changing the HC there will be a staff change and most likely a system change. Unless you want to promote from current staff and keep the same offense and defense?

Every fire and hire does not transition as smooth as Majors and Fulmer.

When the one change is at the top, you have to expect many more.

When I've drawn the conclusion that CBJ can't get it done(win NCs), then I'll jump on the wagon as well, but as for now I still THINK he can get it done(win NCs).

At least after this year the timing will be right to make a change, but so far the timing has been off.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Can't disagree although I'm going to be mighty disappointed if the blind squirrel finds an acorn, gets a raise and extension, and promptly resumes duking it out for 3rd place in the East for the next 4-5 years. It's not my decision to make, but my opinion is that the benefits of Jones getting lucky this year is far outweighed by the potential damages of Jones getting lucky this year.
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What acorn will you be disappointed with?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Can't disagree although I'm going to be mighty disappointed if the blind squirrel finds an acorn, gets a raise and extension, and promptly resumes duking it out for 3rd place in the East for the next 4-5 years. It's not my decision to make, but my opinion is that the benefits of Jones getting lucky this year is far outweighed by the potential damages of Jones getting lucky this year.
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So, to summarize what you just said, you would be disappointed for Butch Jones to lead us to an SEC championship, or even just an SEC-East berth to Atlanta, this year.

Because, you know, being successful gives him a chance be successful again later, and you would hate that more than anything.

Nice. What school do you root for?
 
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according to many, luck doesn't exist. i guess, except, unless you win something. then it's lucky. if you lose.....you just suck.

so your choice is you suck, or your just lucky.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Doing the same things the same way, expecting different results..,,

Glad to see more change. And this may be the most drastic one, that deals directly with CBJ and his style.
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Yup. That and allowing his coaches more say so. I think its a very good sign that he is quieting down in practice and "letting his coaches coach," so to speak.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Yup. That and allowing his coaches more say so. I think its a very good sign that he is quieting down in practice and "letting his coaches coach," so to speak.
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that's the biggie. he's a control freak, no doubt. but staff changes on the whole i think are good, recruiting hasn't slowed down, and could still pick up more steam, and it appears, on the surface anyway, that he's adjusting his own style....if it's all in an effort to help address issues, and it translates on the field, i'll just say "good job coach".

if not......well....it's probably time to move on from this experiment.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that's the biggie. he's a control freak, no doubt. but staff changes on the whole i think are good, recruiting hasn't slowed down, and could still pick up more steam, and it appears, on the surface anyway, that he's adjusting his own style....if it's all in an effort to help address issues, and it translates on the field, i'll just say "good job coach".

if not......well....it's probably time to move on from this experiment.
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Well said.
 
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Boca Vol said:
You're absolutely, correct. But it comes with the territory in 2017. I think Butch was too relaxed last off-season, but he should know his team better than anyone and it was an upper-class filled squad.

This year you have young players in key positions and they need all the reps they can get.
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That's a good point about the young guys.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
You do realize by changing the HC there will be a staff change and most likely a system change. Unless you want to promote from current staff and keep the same offense and defense?
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Happens every year in CFB. Happened at Va Tech last fall... They went from 7-6 to 10-4 and played in the ACC CG vs Clemson. They lost by one TD.

Every fire and hire does not transition as smooth as Majors and Fulmer.
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And keeping a mediocre coach virtually never results in championships... or even a stable middle tier showing.

When the one change is at the top, you have to expect many more.
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Why would anyone expect any different? It is much rarer to see a new coach retain a bunch of guys from the staff whose HC was fired than vice versa.

When I've drawn the conclusion that CBJ can't get it done(win NCs), then I'll jump on the wagon as well, but as for now I still THINK he can get it done(win NCs).
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Why? What single, rational, factual argument do you have that comes close to making this a probability?

I wish you were right. I really do. But everything he has shown so far suggests very strongly that you are not. We can all appreciate the job he did bringing the program up out of the abyss... but that simply doesn't mean he's the guy to lead going from here.

At least after this year the timing will be right to make a change, but so far the timing has been off.
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I am not trying to read your mind or speak for you... but for some the timing will never be right unless Jones just really tanks.
 
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sjt18 said:
Happens every year in CFB. Happened at Va Tech last fall... They went from 7-6 to 10-4 and played in the ACC CG vs Clemson. They lost by one TD.

And keeping a mediocre coach virtually never results in championships... or even a stable middle tier showing.

Why would anyone expect any different? It is much rarer to see a new coach retain a bunch of guys from the staff whose HC was fired than vice versa.

Why? What single, rational, factual argument do you have that comes close to making this a probability?

I wish you were right. I really do. But everything he has shown so far suggests very strongly that you are not. We can all appreciate the job he did bringing the program up out of the abyss... but that simply doesn't mean he's the guy to lead going from here.


I am not trying to read your mind or speak for you... but for some the timing will never be right unless Jones just really tanks.
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Firing and retiring 2 different things.

He said one.

I think CBJ can do it due to the way 120 didn't give in or quit when the chips were down(Fl and Ga).

After beating a good Florida team and a decent Ga, that got him some credit that was used up by SC and Vandy.

2017 all bets are off. Time to get it done.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, that ain't happening...for at least another 7 or so months, and unless the wheels fall completely off, probably more like 18 months.

so i just acknowledge i don't control it, and....wait and see.
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That's a good way to approach it. I take pills for blood pressure, I'm on a diet, I've given up tobacco and pretty much given up booze, I'm lucky if me and the ole lady feel frisky at the same time more than a couple of times a year, and I hit the ceiling at my job years ago. I got to have an outlet. :)
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
That's a good way to approach it. I take pills for blood pressure, I'm on a diet, I've given up tobacco and pretty much given up booze, I'm lucky if me and the ole lady feel frisky at the same time more than a couple of times a year, and I hit the ceiling at my job years ago. I got to have an outlet. :)
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Proceed accordingly...lol
 
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Boca Vol said:
This is the smart move. Look at what playing it safe in the off-season last year got us. Injuries can happen at any time but time has to be built...and you can't build it against air.
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And for what it's worth: I believe all our significant injuries last season occurred in games, none in practice.
 
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Boca Vol said:
This isn't aimed at you, Behr...just in general.

Why is it that every time a new S&C coach is hired he's the greatest thing since sliced bread but when he leaves he's the reason for every injury?

All off-season last year this place was buzzing with how jacked the team looked, etc.
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I think it was very deceptive last off season. What I remember, some one correct me if i'm wrong, is that certain individuals had social media ablaze with work out videos. Squatting 250 lbs. on one leg, running up inclines etc.. Many of us assumed that the team was going to be in top shape. The reality is that, at least for the o-line, they entered fall practice out of shape.

The difference this time is a s&c coach was hired with a long and reputable career at the highest level. I believe it was 17 yrs. in the NFL training professional athletes for the rigors of a longer season than a college football season. Something more substantial to pin our hopes on.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
That's a good way to approach it. I take pills for blood pressure, I'm on a diet, I've given up tobacco and pretty much given up booze, I'm lucky if me and the ole lady feel frisky at the same time more than a couple of times a year, and I hit the ceiling at my job years ago. I got to have an outlet. :)
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Nobody likes a quitter.
 
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I'm just shocked that we haven't been doing this before. Might help explain the middling passing game that we have had under Butch.
 
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