I'm pretty sure we just got insulted.

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BowlBrother85 said:
...and who the losses have come against. Some people here are strongly suggesting that Arkansas plays a much stronger schedule than we do and that's normally not the case. The best team Arkansas plays ever year is far and away Alabama - but we play them every year too! Our best non-conference opponent is also usually much better than their best non-conference opponent. That was very much the case in 2015.
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Did you forget blue font?

Or did you take a "Logic & Reasoning" class from my wife?
 
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v011s said:
Did you forget blue font?

Or did you take a "Logic & Reasoning" class from my wife?
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You can patronize all you want... there is no need for a blue font there. We play the best team in the West every year plus one other team... and our best non-conference opponent is usually better than Arkansas' best non-conference opponent - especially 2015! Facts!
 
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#153
I haven't notice anyone bringing this up yet so I will......Where can we buy UT Champions of Life gear? At least it's something we can call our own.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can patronize all you want... there is no need for a blue font there. We play the best team in the West every year plus one other team... and our best non-conference opponent is usually better than Arkansas' best non-conference opponent - especially 2015! Facts!
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You are missing some.
You are basing the entire strength of schedule off 1 non conf game.

Might ought to factor in the rest of their schedule against the west and east.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A Gator talking garbage about our performance vs the SEC West? Even in the Tebow years (2006-2009) the Gators still lost to an SEC West team. You always lose to an SEC West team! Get lost dude.
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BowlBrother85 said:
...and who the losses have come against. Some people here are strongly suggesting that Arkansas plays a much stronger schedule than we do and that's normally not the case. The best team Arkansas plays ever year is far and away Alabama - but we play them every year too! Our best non-conference opponent is also usually much better than their best non-conference opponent. That was very much the case in 2015.
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BeecherVol said:
You are missing some.
You are basing the entire strength of schedule off 1 non conf game.

Might ought to factor in the rest of their schedule against the west and east.
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No, I am stating a fact. The best team Arkansas plays every year is a team which we also play. We also play one other team from the West while also playing a better non-conference opponent. There is not as much difference between our respective schedules as some of you are making it out to be! There are some years when theirs will be tougher and some years when ours will be. I understand the argument some will make that Texas A&M is better than (fill in the blank middle of the road East team).
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, I am stating a fact. The best team Arkansas plays every year is a team which we also play. We also play one other team from the West while also playing a better non-conference opponent. There is not as much difference between our respective schedules as some of you are making it out to be! There are some years when theirs will be tougher and some years when ours will be. I understand the argument some will make that Texas A&M is better than (fill in the blank middle of the road East team).
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So we both play Bama. Yes
UT typically plays one tougher non conf. Yes

The east and west have been far from equal recently. It was probably as close as it has been this past year excluding Bama.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A Gator talking garbage about our performance vs the SEC West? Even in the Tebow years (2006-2009) the Gators still lost to an SEC West team. You always lose to an SEC West team! Get lost dude.
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I am speaking to the overall principle here.

The attitude of the original post and the discussion centered around....."how dare they compare us to Arkansas"

Part of the argument for why that was "insulting" revolved around the fact that in the last two seasons Tennessee had 9 wins each while Arkansas had a mere 8 and 7 wins.

So, beyond pointing out what a huge difference 2 wins is in one season and 1 win in a season where....ahem, Arkansas beat Tennessee....., is the fact that Arkansas has to play in the SEC West instead of the SEC East.

I think it's a reasonable argument to say that the division each team happens to play in effects their overall win-loss total. Tennessee's record against the West has to be a factor in that argument.

As for Florida's performance against the SEC West, while not stellar, we've actually won games this decade against the West.
 
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BeecherVol said:
So we both play Bama. Yes
UT typically plays one tougher non conf. Yes

The east and west have been far from equal recently. It was probably as close as it has been this past year excluding Bama.
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Georgia beat Auburn
Vandy beat Ole Miss
Missouri beat Arkansas
Florida beat LSU

So, yes... basically.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
It will eventually come back around. Three ways for it to happen:

1. Anyone of TN, FL, GA hire an elite coach
2. Saban retires
3. One of our coaches go Dabo route
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I've always believed the West was better even when Florida and Tennessee were on top.

Obviously, what you are saying can most certainly come to pass.

But, that's not the here and now. The here and now is that playing in the East is a cakewalk compared to the West and we all enjoy inflated records because of it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Georgia beat Auburn and lost to Ole Miss
Vandy beat Ole Miss and lost to AU
Missouri beat Arkansas and lost to LSU
Florida beat LSU and lost to Arkansas

So, yes... basically.
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Kentucky lost to Bama and beat State
SC lost to both State and A&M
UT lost to both Bama and A&M

So the east was 5-9 after 5 teams split and 2 got swept (UT and SC)
 
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99gator said:
I've always believed the West was better even when Florida and Tennessee were on top.

Obviously, what you are saying can most certainly come to pass.

But, that's not the here and now. The here and now is that playing in the East is a cakewalk compared to the West and we all enjoy inflated records because of it.
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If you're talking about 1993-2001... well, you're just wrong. The West was not better than the East in those years. Not even close. LSU was horrible from '93-'99, Alabama was mediocre from '95-'98, Ole Miss was horrible from '94-'98, Miss State was mediocre to bad every year except '98. Arkansas won the SEC West in 1995, Tennessee beat the hell out of them that year - on the road.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Kentucky lost to Bama and beat State
SC lost to both State and A&M
UT lost to both Bama and A&M

So the east was 5-9 after 5 teams split and 2 got swept (UT and SC)
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Good lord... some of you would even argue with yourselves I think. You freakin' said it was closer than it had been in a while and I agreed with you! And then gave some examples.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Kentucky lost to Bama and beat State
SC lost to both State and A&M
UT lost to both Bama and A&M

So the east was 5-9 after 5 teams split and 2 got swept (UT and SC)
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Not to mention that all of those were upsets.

I'm not ashamed to admit LSU was better than Florida. Florida won that day, but LSU is the better team.

I think all those games are like that. Maybe Kentucky was better than Miss State.

But, Auburn is better than Georgia. Arkansas is better than Mizzou. LSU is better than Florida.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you're talking about 1993-2001... well, you're just wrong. The West was not better than the East in those years. Not even close. LSU was horrible from '93-'99, Alabama was mediocre from '95-'98, Ole Miss was horrible from '94-'98, Miss State was mediocre to bad every year except '98. Arkansas won the SEC West in 1995, Tennessee beat the hell out of them that year - on the road.
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A. The west does not have vandy and kentucky.

B. In the 90's, Georgia was pitiful until the late part of the decade. South Carolina was dog squeeze the entire decade.

The East was Florida, Tennessee and turds.

And.....

The West still usually had teams that were competitive with the best of the East.

Alabama won the national title in 1992 and the SEC in 1999. Alabama was also undefeated before losing the SEC title game by 1 point in 1994. Auburn was undeafeted in 1993. Auburn beat the SEC champ in 1994. I could go on.

Teams from the East did not win the SEC championship game by 40.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Good lord... some of you would even argue with yourselves I think. You freakin' said it was closer than it had been in a while and I agreed with you! And then gave some examples.
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Thats kinda the point.

While it was closer, its not close.

I think I read somewhere the west has won something like 70% of the games over the last 4 seasons.
 
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99gator said:
Not to mention that all of those were upsets.

I'm not ashamed to admit LSU was better than Florida. Florida won that day, but LSU is the better team.

I think all those games are like that. Maybe Kentucky was better than Miss State.

But, Auburn is better than Georgia. Arkansas is better than Mizzou. LSU is better than Florida.
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If you look at the recruiting rankings for each division over the last 4 or 5 years its not hard to see why the west has been better.
 
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99gator said:
A. The west does not have vandy and kentucky.

B. In the 90's, Georgia was pitiful until the late part of the decade. South Carolina was dog squeeze the entire decade.

The East was Florida, Tennessee and turds.

And.....

The West still usually had teams that were competitive with the best of the East.

Alabama won the national title in 1992 and the SEC in 1999. Alabama was also undefeated before losing the SEC title game by 1 point in 1994. Auburn was undeafeted in 1993. Auburn beat the SEC champ in 1994. I could go on.

Teams from the East did not win the SEC championship game by 40.
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Tennessee was 7-1-1 vs Alabama from '93-'01 and 8-1 vs Arkansas... Tennessee's record in their 3rd game vs the West was 7-2. Tenn's record in the SECCG was 2-1. Tenn's total record vs the West from '93-'01 was 24-5-1. I could go one too.
 
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They should show that to the powers that be at UT. I doubt anything would motivate them to strive for anything other than mediocrity, but it would be worth a shot.
 
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Souprmann said:
Head 2 Head is a valid argument, as is Butch underachieving with better players, and the west is MUCH better than the east. I don't see how you can argue any of those points. They are factual. You never Trumpers let your emotions get the best of you.

Might be interesting to see how many players he has had drafted compared to CBJ
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Hey BeecherVol, since you are struggling with the use of the word irony, I figured I would show you an example.

Exhibit A - Random knuckledragger points out 'facts' and then proceeds to transition into a guess as to what side of the political spectrum I supposedly fall on based on a sports discussion.
 
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