D4H's 2017 NFL Draft Review (Best Picks, Best Drafts, and Predictions)

[Notorious B.E.N]

Yes, I saw the "Dobbs to the Browns with their last pick of the 1st round, because Hue Jackson coached him at the Senior Bowl" prediction. Followed by the "Chargers take Dobbs with their 2nd or 3rd round pick and he can sit a year and learn from Phillips" prediction. Damn, short term memory loss. I guess I was feeling sorry for him and that was a lot of work on his Draft Review. I always try to help out the guy getting bullied. Sometimes they deserve it

If there's anybody on here who deserves it, it's him. He brings it all on himself. I'm 100% convinced he's a troll, and he's very dedicated to it.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

D4H alter alert.

You seriously don't know me if you think I would waste my time with an alternate account. I say what I mean and don't care if you or anyone else likes it. If I actually cared enough about your opinions to create an alternate account, wouldn't it just be easier for me to just try and placate your sensibilities with the account I already have?

You're just mad that there are some on here who don't agree with your convoluted opinion of me so you wanna claim its from an alternate account from me.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He disappeared in SEC play every year. It's great to wreck shop against Sam Houston St, but not terribly helpful for prognostications.

That's your opinion. I saw him making plays every Saturday when he was 100% healthy. He played with an ankle injury this past year that limited his effectiveness. But when he was 100% as he was in the opener vs UCLA, he was DOMINANT. I could care less about stats vs SEC teams. I watch the tape. And if you watched Myles Garrett against UCLA to open the year he was incredible. UCLA had an offensive tackle named Conor McDermott that was drafted by the Patriots in the 6th round. Myles Garrett totally obliterated him. That UCLA tackle was better than most of the offensive tackles in the SEC and when Myles Garrett was 100% he made mince meat of him. So I don't really care about his stats vs SEC teams.

Myles Garrett will be the best defensive end in the NFL for the next 10 years. Sacks vs SEC teams be dammed.

 

[bamawriter]

That's your opinion. I saw him making plays every Saturday when he was 100% healthy. He played with an ankle injury this past year that limited his effectiveness. But when he was 100% as he was in the opener vs UCLA, he was DOMINANT. I could care less about stats vs SEC teams. I watch the tape. And if you watched Myles Garrett against UCLA to open the year he was incredible. UCLA had an offensive tackle named Conor McDermott that was drafted by the Patriots in the 6th round. Myles Garrett totally obliterated him. That UCLA tackle was better than most of the offensive tackles in the SEC and when Myles Garrett was 100% he made mince meat of him. So I don't really care about his stats vs SEC teams.

Myles Garrett will be the best defensive end in the NFL for the next 10 years. Sacks vs SEC teams be dammed.

And here's where I remind you that you claim not to evaluate O linemen, so your opinion of UCLA's left tackle is worth less than nothing.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You seriously don't know me if you think I would waste my time with an alternate account. I say what I mean and don't care if you or anyone else likes it. If I actually cared enough about your opinions to create an alternate account, wouldn't it just be easier for me to just try and placate your sensibilities with the account I already have?

You're just mad that there are some on here who don't agree with your convoluted opinion of me so you wanna claim its from an alternate account from me.

Looks like he agrees now.

 

[YankeeVol]

That's your opinion. I saw him making plays every Saturday when he was 100% healthy. He played with an ankle injury this past year that limited his effectiveness. But when he was 100% as he was in the opener vs UCLA, he was DOMINANT. I could care less about stats vs SEC teams. I watch the tape. And if you watched Myles Garrett against UCLA to open the year he was incredible. UCLA had an offensive tackle named Conor McDermott that was drafted by the Patriots in the 6th round. Myles Garrett totally obliterated him. That UCLA tackle was better than most of the offensive tackles in the SEC and when Myles Garrett was 100% he made mince meat of him. So I don't really care about his stats vs SEC teams.

Myles Garrett will be the best defensive end in the NFL for the next 10 years. Sacks vs SEC teams be dammed.

So the #1 pick blows up a 6th round pick and that's your proof?!?!?!

Lol

 

[VolFreakJosh]

He disappeared in SEC play every year. It's great to wreck shop against Sam Houston St, but not terribly helpful for prognostications.

I don't often agree with a bammer but you're 100% right on this.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So the #1 pick blows up a 6th round pick and that's your proof?!?!?!

Lol

No. That is my counter to bamawriter claiming Myles Garrett couldn't perform against the best competition on his schedule. That is what is implied when detractors try to point out his lack of elite production in SEC games.

I cited the UCLA game because they had a tackle that was as good as most of the tackles in the SEC. Being taken in the 6th round is still a lot better than what most SEC offensive lineman will ever accomplish. And if Myles dominated a 6th rounder on UCLA that is surely better competition than almost any tackle in the SEC. So you can now drop this angle about his lack of production in SEC games.

 

[bamawriter]

No. That is my counter to bamawriter claiming Myles Garrett couldn't perform against the best competition on his schedule. That is what is implied when detractors try to point out his lack of elite production in SEC games.

I cited the UCLA game because they had a tackle that was as good as most of the tackles in the SEC. Being taken in the 6th round is still a lot better than what most SEC offensive lineman will ever accomplish. And if Myles dominated a 6th rounder on UCLA that is surely better competition than almost any tackle in the SEC. So you can now drop this angle about his lack of production in SEC games.

This is going to come as a surprise to you, so I hope you're sitting down while reading this...

Seriously, this is incredibly shocking news...

You've been given fair warning about the massive scale of this amazing revelation...

Here goes...

UCLA is not in the SEC.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This is going to come as a surprise to you, so I hope you're sitting down while reading this...

Seriously, this is incredibly shocking news...

You've been given fair warning about the massive scale of this amazing revelation...

Here goes...

UCLA is not in the SEC.

You seem to not get my point.

UCLA's left tackle was drafted in the 6th round. That's better than almost every offensive tackle in the SEC last year. So who cares how Myles performed in the SEC last year. When he was 100% healthy he faced a guy better than almost everyone in the SEC and dominated him.

The fact he dominated a tackle that was drafted into the NFL renders any argument that he couldn't perform against top competition mute.

 

[bamawriter]

You seem to not get my point.

UCLA's left tackle was drafted in the 6th round. That's better than almost every offensive tackle in the SEC last year. So who cares how Myles performed in the SEC last year. When he was 100% healthy he faced a guy better than almost everyone in the SEC and dominated him.

The fact he dominated a tackle that was drafted into the NFL renders any argument that he couldn't perform against top competition mute.

Let's talk about "domination." What do you consider "domination" for a DE over a tackle?

 

[Burger]

You seem to not get my point.

UCLA's left tackle was drafted in the 6th round. That's better than almost every offensive tackle in the SEC last year. So who cares how Myles performed in the SEC last year. When he was 100% healthy he faced a guy better than almost everyone in the SEC and dominated him.

The fact he dominated a tackle that was drafted into the NFL renders any argument that he couldn't perform against top competition mute.

Better than Cam Robinson, David Sharpe, and Will Holden? How about all the tackles drafted in other years and ones who will be drafted in the future? Holden held him to Zero. Robinson held him to one in three years.

I didn't know three tackles and one sack was dominant.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Garrett looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane he will be a massive bust. Plus he plays for the browns

 

[WarDamnVols]

You seriously don't know me if you think I would waste my time with an alternate account. I say what I mean and don't care if you or anyone else likes it.

I mean...you certainly had no problem wasting so much time towards making this thread. Hell, you would have wasted less time making an alternate account.

If I actually cared enough about your opinions to create an alternate account, wouldn't it just be easier for me to just try and placate your sensibilities with the account I already have?

You're just mad that there are some on here who don't agree with your convoluted opinion of me so you wanna claim its from an alternate account from me.

and no, you're well past that point now.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

He broke Clowney's sack record as a true freshmen. He finished top 3 nationally in sacks over his 3 years in college.

Just because Derek Barnett was more productive in college doesn't mean Myles Garrett didn't live up to his potential. Myles Garrett was incredibly productive in college. And when he was 100% healthy he definitely lived up to his potential.

There are many great players in the NFL like JJ Watt that were not as productive in college as Myles Garrett. You guys need to understand that college and the NFL are different beasts. Just because Derek Barnett was more productive in college than Myles Garrett doesn't mean he'll be more productive in the NFL. If college production translated to NFL production, it would make drafting players a lot easier. But it doesn't which is why the draft is always a crapshoot.

Except he did nothing vs any team of relevance. He feasted on the UTSA's of CFB. What's closer to NFL football the SEC or CUSA? The former is the one Garret struggled to produce against.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

No. That is my counter to bamawriter claiming Myles Garrett couldn't perform against the best competition on his schedule. That is what is implied when detractors try to point out his lack of elite production in SEC games.

I cited the UCLA game because they had a tackle that was as good as most of the tackles in the SEC. Being taken in the 6th round is still a lot better than what most SEC offensive lineman will ever accomplish. And if Myles dominated a 6th rounder on UCLA that is surely better competition than almost any tackle in the SEC. So you can now drop this angle about his lack of production in SEC games.

A 5-7 UCLA team wasn't the best competition on his schedule; or even close to it. So again, who of consequence did he perform well against?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Let's talk about "domination." What do you consider "domination" for a DE over a tackle?

If the defensive end keeps blowing the tackle back into the QB and the opposing team is forced to start double teamming him. That is domination.

And that is what a 100% healthy Myles Garrett was doing against UCLA and their NFL draft pick left tackle.

Stats can lie cause guys can get lucky sacks because of mistakes by the offense or plays created by teammates. Film however never lies. To watch Myles Garrett that first game and see how dominant he was. That is how a future Hall of Famer looks.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Better than Cam Robinson, David Sharpe, and Will Holden? How about all the tackles drafted in other years and ones who will be drafted in the future? Holden held him to Zero. Robinson held him to one in three years.

I didn't know three tackles and one sack was dominant.

Myles Garrett was not healthy this past year against Alabama. Remember he injured his ankle a few weeks earlier. However, two years ago when he was healthy, he absolutely dominated Cam Robinson. Go back and watch the 2015 A&M vs Alabama game. Myles Garrett made Cam Robinson look silly time after time.

Myles Garrett will be a perennial All-Pro in the NFL.

Cam Robinson will be lucky to start.

 

[bamawriter]

If the defensive end keeps blowing the tackle back into the QB and the opposing team is forced to start double teamming him. That is domination.

And that is what a 100% healthy Myles Garrett was doing against UCLA and their NFL draft pick left tackle.

Stats can lie cause guys can get lucky sacks because of mistakes by the offense or plays created by teammates. Film however never lies. To watch Myles Garrett that first game and see how dominant he was. That is how a future Hall of Famer looks.

He had 1 sack, which was his only solo tackle. He also participated in 4 other tackles, one of which went for lost yardage. True, stats can lie, but that's not exactly all-world.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He had 1 sack, which was his only solo tackle. He also participated in 4 other tackles, one of which went for lost yardage. True, stats can lie, but that's not exactly all-world.

I watched that game. Myles Garrett was beating him snap after snap. He didn't get to the QB every play but he was disruptive.

You guys doubting Myles Garrett will look silly real soon. This guy is the real deal. I only feel more confident about Corey Davis and Josh Dobbs as NFL superstars than I am about Myles Garrett.

 

[bamawriter]

I watched that game. Myles Garrett was beating him snap after snap. He didn't get to the QB every play but he was disruptive.

You guys doubting Myles Garrett will look silly real soon. This guy is the real deal. I only feel more confident about Corey Davis and Josh Dobbs as NFL superstars than I am about Myles Garrett.

I think Garrett has all the ability in the world. Never said otherwise. I doubt his motivation. Maybe he finds it in Cleveland.

 

[bamawriter]

Myles Garrett was not healthy this past year against Alabama. Remember he injured his ankle a few weeks earlier. However, two years ago when he was healthy, he absolutely dominated Cam Robinson. Go back and watch the 2015 A&M vs Alabama game. Myles Garrett made Cam Robinson look silly time after time.

Myles Garrett will be a perennial All-Pro in the NFL.

Cam Robinson will be lucky to start.

Garrett started opposite Robinson 3 times and totalled 1 sack.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I think Garrett has all the ability in the world. Never said otherwise. I doubt his motivation. Maybe he finds it in Cleveland.

Here come the excuses. So when he becomes the dominant NFL player I say he will become you will say you also saw it all along you just doubted his work ethic.

Just stop it. We all know he has freakish talent. We are debating whether he will fufill the talent. Stop trying to make yourself an excuse. Either say he will be a SUPERSTAR or a BUST. Stop waffling. You and KBVol are exactly the same. You disparage a player over and over again. And then at the end you say I don't doubt his talent I just doubt his motivation.

I'm not here to argue motivation. I'm here arguing skills and ability. You have done nothing but argue that you don't think Myles Garrett is very good. Don't try to take that all back with this weak statement. Stick to your initial argument.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Here come the excuses. So when he becomes the dominant NFL player I say he will become you will say you also saw it all along you just doubted his work ethic.

Just stop it. We all know he has freakish talent. We are debating whether he will fufill the talent. Stop trying to make yourself an excuse. Either say he will be a SUPERSTAR or a BUST. Stop waffling. You and KBVol are exactly the same. You disparage a player over and over again. And then at the end you say I don't doubt his talent I just doubt his motivation.

I'm not here to argue motivation. I'm here arguing skills and ability. You have done nothing but argue that you don't think Myles Garrett is very good. Don't try to take that all back with this weak statement. Stick to your initial argument.

Lol..did you seriously just try to accuse someone else of doing the exact same crap you constantly do?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Garrett started opposite Robinson 3 times and totalled 1 sack.

Go watch the games. Alabama was giving him help and running away from Garrett's side. Film don't lie. Stats can.

There is a reason Myles Garrett went 1st overall and Cam Robinson fell to the second round. They are simply not comprable as NFL players. Garrett is headed for the Hall of Fame while Cam Robinson is headed for a mediocre career.