AHCA Passes House

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Grand Vol said:
And I'll repeat:

Specifically what in this bill is so bad? If you have grievance with it, you might as well let out your hate and specific reasons why.

Otherwise, posts like you have above just makes you look childish and throwing a temper tantrum to rival a 14 year old girl that was grounded from going to a One Direction concert.

TL/DR; put up or shut up.
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Remove those partisan blinders , why do you think many organizations like the AMA ,AARP, American Heart Association , and others have come out against the AHCA. Answer: it's dead wrong.
 
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volinbham said:
still can't do it can you
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He won't answer. He can't answer. The only thing he can do is continue to write out childish troll-like posts instead of pointing to anything in particular other than "the GOP passed it."

At least when Obamacare went through, we had the individual mandate penalty and things like that to point at. he doesn't even have that.

He is trolling. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Grand Vol said:
He won't answer. He can't answer. The only thing he can do is continue to write out childish troll-like posts instead of pointing to anything in particular other than "the GOP passed it."

At least when Obamacare went through, we had the individual mandate penalty and things like that to point at. he doesn't even have that.

He is trolling. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Ease up on orangeluvr.....he's not out of his last hour of 6th grade class yet.
 
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Cue NBC(fake news) leading their broadcast with a family of a child with cystic fibrosis terrified now that "the pre-existing condition mandate" has been taken away.
 
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VolnJC said:
Cue NBC(fake news) leading their broadcast with a family of a child with cystic fibrosis terrified now that "the pre-existing condition mandate" has been taken away.
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Has it, does anyone know? Is it a secret, maybe they can take a page out of the Dems playbook. Gotta pass it to find out what's in it.
 
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Septic said:
Has it, does anyone know? Is it a secret, maybe they can take a page out of the Dems playbook. Gotta pass it to find out what's in it.
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Or you could just read it yourself
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-a790-d120-addb-f7dc0ec90000

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VolnJC said:
Or you could just read it yourself
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-a790-d120-addb-f7dc0ec90000

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Hmm, looks like they give with one hand and take with the other.

The American Health Care Act stipulates that states can allow insurers to charge people with pre-existing conditions more for health insurance (which is banned under the ACA) if the states meet certain conditions, such as setting up high-risk insurance pools. Insurers still cannot deny people coverage outright, as was a common practice before the ACA's passage, but they can hike up premiums to an unaffordable amount, effectively pricing people out of the market.

In fact, premiums could reach as high as $25,700 per year for people in high-risk pools, according to a report from AARP. People who receive insurance through their employer would not be affected, unless they lost their job or moved to the individual insurance market for some other reason.

http://time.com/money/4763609/pre-existing-conditions-ahca/
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Septic said:
Hmm, looks like they give with one hand and take with the other.
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It is basically 2 solutions to the PEC issue. One may question the effectiveness of option 2 but it's flat out wrong to say that this bill removes the coverage guarantee for people with PEC.
 
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volinbham said:
It is basically 2 solutions to the PEC issue. One may question the effectiveness of option 2 but it's flat out wrong to say that this bill removes the coverage guarantee for people with PEC.
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It's about as intellectually dishonest as it gets and people are throwing it out there like it's a given. I was talking to my health insurance agent today and we had this exact discussion. He's getting bombarded with calls from people who are absolutely clueless.
 
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GAVol said:
It's about as intellectually dishonest as it gets and people are throwing it out there like it's a given. I was talking to my health insurance agent today and we had this exact discussion. He's getting bombarded with calls from people who are absolutely clueless.
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What's intellectually dishonest?

That health insurance companies will raise rates on the PEC's to unaffordable levels?
 
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Septic said:
What's intellectually dishonest?

That health insurance companies will raise rates on the PEC's to unaffordable levels?
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Also known as "Republican death panels."

I don't care what any half-assed VolNation spin artists attempt to make of it. I've got two eyes, and I'm smarter than most of them.
 
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orangeluvr said:
According to many personal stories across America what you call a POS has saved many lives and kept college students on their parents insurance. The House sent the Senate a real POS.
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You can call feces many things.... and sometimes it's useful such as fertilizer.... but at the end of the day it's still s***...... and so was/is the ACA
 
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orangeluvr said:
Remove those partisan blinders , why do you think many organizations like the AMA ,AARP, American Heart Association , and others have come out against the AHCA. Answer: it's dead wrong.
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It's all wrong and so was the ACA..... FFS are you still on your parents plan and not seeing wtf is going on in the real world? It's you that needs to remove the blinders my friend..... the ACHA may very well be a POS..... but we know for sure the ACA was.... it was about to implode
 
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Septic said:
What's intellectually dishonest?

That health insurance companies will raise rates on the PEC's to unaffordable levels?
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I was talking about the statement that people with PECs will somehow lose their existing coverage or the blanket statement that they'll see rate increases. It's just not true. The McArthur Amendment specifically addressed this. Even to see an increase in premium, they have to be 1) Not on a group plan; 2) in the individual market with a 63 gap in coverage; 3) in a state that seeks a waiver.

We can debate what that narrow group's rates might look like in what amounts to state run Assigned Risk or FAIR Plans, but the "death panel" stuff is just partisan talking points.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It's all wrong and so was the ACA..... FFS are you still on your parents plan and not seeing wtf is going on in the real world? It's you that needs to remove the blinders my friend..... the ACHA may very well be a POS..... but we know for sure the ACA was.... it was about to implode
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The implosion of ACA is a lie perpetuated by the gop. ACA was modeled off the health care plan of then governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney. It didn't have the dire impact it's opponents predicted and it's working very well for the state's citizens. So ACA was actually Obamney Care. You won't hear that on right wing media.
 
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orangeluvr said:
The implosion of ACA is a lie perpetuated by the gop. ACA was modeled off the health care plan of then governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney. It didn't have the dire impact it's opponents predicted and it's working very well for the state's citizens. So ACA was actually Obamney Care. You won't hear that on right wing media.
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1) The Romneycare exchange fell apart about 3 years ago.
2) what Romney proposed - catastrophic coverage for all - isn't what got eventually implemented and the plans were too rich to be sustainable.
 
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Aha!

The House Health Care Disaster Is Really About Taxes

That is where the American Health Care Act comes in: It would eliminate roughly $1 trillion in taxes used to pay for the additional spending in Obamacare. As a result, it would significantly lower the federal government’s tax revenue baseline. The baseline is an important figure in congressional budgeting, because it sets expectations for how much the government is projected, on paper, to spend and raise if current law remains the same.

The trick, then, is to make the health care bill’s tax cuts part of that baseline by passing them into law before a tax-reform package. This would provide Republicans with far more room to permanently cut taxes later in the year. In short, Republicans would be able to devise a tax bill that collects about $1 trillion less in revenue but that would still qualify as revenue-neutral under Senate procedure.

This is why Republicans put health care reform at the top of their agenda. Without the bill to reset the federal government’s baseline tax revenue, Republicans would be much more constrained when it came time to overhaul the tax code.
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Velo Vol said:
You said the GOP had to rush to pass this bill in March or they can't use reconciliation.
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That was the original thinking the way I understood it. They wanted the AHCA first which they thought would be quick and easy and then they'd get tax reform done before the reconciliation deadline.
 
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