Dobbs is already moving up the Depth Chart

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Burger said:
Bajakian has been a QB coach longer than Butch has been a head coach. Bajakian is an NFL QB coach,and with Winston, is looking like a very good one.
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And he was only here until Dobbs sophomore season. We know how Dobbs freshman season went with Worley being the primary starter until he went down and then having to throw Nate out there to try and get him a redshirt. Maybe Bajakian would have been good for him long term but he wasn't there for Dobbs prime. DeBord sure as hell wasn't anything to rave about.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
And he was only here until Dobbs sophomore season. We know how Dobbs freshman season went with Worley being the primary starter until he went down and then having to throw Nate out there to try and get him a redshirt. Maybe Bajakian would have been good for him long term but he wasn't there for Dobbs prime. DeBord sure as hell wasn't anything to rave about.
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Losing Bajakian had a huge impact on Dobbs as he is actually a good QB coach.

The other stuff, you're correct. Sherdian was the day to day QB coach, and it looked like he did a bad job with Dobbs.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
And he was only here until Dobbs sophomore season. We know how Dobbs freshman season went with Worley being the primary starter until he went down and then having to throw Nate out there to try and get him a redshirt. Maybe Bajakian would have been good for him long term but he wasn't there for Dobbs prime. DeBord sure as hell wasn't anything to rave about.
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It's funny, but when DeBord was hired, half of VN was raving that he was the guy who groomed Tom Brady. 2 years later he was so bad that it's as if Dobbs didn't even have a position coach.

DeBord might not have been a good QBs coach, but it's not like the QBs were sitting around playing cards while all the other position groups were in meetings.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's funny, but when DeBord was hired, half of VN was raving that he was the guy who groomed Tom Brady. 2 years later he was so bad that it's as if Dobbs didn't even have a position coach.

DeBord might not have been a good QBs coach, but it's not like the QBs were sitting around playing cards while all the other position groups were in meetings.
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DeBord used Josh Dobbs the way Josh Dobbs should have been used and highlighted his strengths. Anyone think Dobbs would have had the success he had here under a tradition offense?
 
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bamawriter said:
It's funny, but when DeBord was hired, half of VN was raving that he was the guy who groomed Tom Brady. 2 years later he was so bad that it's as if Dobbs didn't even have a position coach.

DeBord might not have been a good QBs coach, but it's not like the QBs were sitting around playing cards while all the other position groups were in meetings.
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Eh it's not that funny.
 
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Burger said:
That was partially to the conservative play calling. The basis of our west coast passing game is that we can take a three yard pass and turn it into 5 or more. If the timing or the pass is off, then there is a massive problem, and the offense doesn't click.

The difference between Dormady and Dobbs is Dormady will hit his spots. Dobbs wasn't too good at hitting his spots, hence why that 3rd and 5 pass only netted three yards.
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Didn't hear a lot of clicking in the 2nd half of the OK game. Did see a lot of snaps with 10+ seconds on the clock and a lot of three and outs.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's funny, but when DeBord was hired, half of VN was raving that he was the guy who groomed Tom Brady. 2 years later he was so bad that it's as if Dobbs didn't even have a position coach.

DeBord might not have been a good QBs coach, but it's not like the QBs were sitting around playing cards while all the other position groups were in meetings.
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i don't remember it quite like that at all.

i remember a lot of references to "swim team administrator" and the like.

i think there was an effort made to "talk ourselves into" thinking he was a good hire. and he was, all things considered.

but i don't think you can go back now and say that. that hire generated more ire than praise.
 
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Burger said:
Losing Bajakian had a huge impact on Dobbs as he is actually a good QB coach.

The other stuff, you're correct. Sherdian was the day to day QB coach, and it looked like he did a bad job with Dobbs.
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i wouldn't say he did a bad job necessarily. just for the type of qb he was, and where sheridan is in his development as a coach, maybe not the best fit. wrong time, wrong place. there probably were much better options from a coaching standpoint that could have done more/better with Dobbs. on that i agree.

but dobbs did get better as a qb.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i wouldn't say he did a bad job necessarily. just for the type of qb he was, and where sheridan is in his development as a coach, maybe not the best fit. wrong time, wrong place. there probably were much better options from a coaching standpoint that could have done more/better with Dobbs. on that i agree.

but dobbs did get better as a qb.
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It could of been a fit issue. The offensive staff tried to make Dobbs into more of a classic pocket passer in the beginning of the year. As time went on, that didn't work.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's funny, but when DeBord was hired, half of VN was raving that he was the guy who groomed Tom Brady. 2 years later he was so bad that it's as if Dobbs didn't even have a position coach.

DeBord might not have been a good QBs coach, but it's not like the QBs were sitting around playing cards while all the other position groups were in meetings.
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Pretty sure most didn't want DeBord
 
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Burger said:
It could of been a fit issue. The offensive staff tried to make Dobbs into more of a classic pocket passer in the beginning of the year. As time went on, that didn't work.
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no it did not. and i'm not going to go all d4h on you and say "it's not dobbs' " fault.

just to say that there were many a time he dropped back and got killed or ran out of a bad situation. we called more plays that called for a pass than the staff sometimes gets credit for. WR had drops and didn't run the greatest routes, O line didn't protect all that well at times, and Dobbs was apt to sail a couple or throw some worm burners.

the passing game woes on the whole (...it was better in '16 vs '15, and both of those years were better than the previous two years) were a reflection of all that. and while i do think a better qb coaching situation would have helped, it wasn't the magic bullet either.:thumbsup:

i for one am anxious to see what kind of impact the offensive coaches can have on all this. there's skill there to work with.
 
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Catbone said:
Pretty sure most didn't want DeBord
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"Half" was a stretch. I'll grant you that. There were many, but probably not half.

However, the notion that Dobbs never had a QB coach has been repeated a lot, and it's categorically false.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Why do you say that? I definitely think Dobbs gets some playing time this season.
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I hope that he has a year or 2 to develop before being thrown into the fire. Ben only has another couple years in the tank before he gets Romo'd. The more time Josh gets to learn from the bench the better imo.

I truly Believe that JD can be a quality starting QB but I think he need some time to develop, at least a year. It is not that I think he can't step up he would start off with a good Oline something he has never really had and plenty of weapons so there is that. But he is in Pittsburg and they would expect him to come in and win a superbowl. What happened with Dak last year was an aberration, a perfect storm type situation.I dont think Josh gets that lucky.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't remember it quite like that at all.

i remember a lot of references to "swim team administrator" and the like.

i think there was an effort made to "talk ourselves into" thinking he was a good hire. and he was, all things considered.

but i don't think you can go back now and say that. that hire generated more ire than praise.
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Thank god my memory isn't as bad as I thought it was....
 
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jakez4ut said:
no it did not. and i'm not going to go all d4h on you and say "it's not dobbs' " fault.

just to say that there were many a time he dropped back and got killed or ran out of a bad situation. we called more plays that called for a pass than the staff sometimes gets credit for. WR had drops and didn't run the greatest routes, O line didn't protect all that well at times, and Dobbs was apt to sail a couple or throw some worm burners.

the passing game woes on the whole (...it was better in '16 vs '15, and both of those years were better than the previous two years) were a reflection of all that. and while i do think a better qb coaching situation would have helped, it wasn't the magic bullet either.:thumbsup:

i for one am anxious to see what kind of impact the offensive coaches can have on all this. there's skill there to work with.
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Not wrong at all. Dobbs was a great college QB that practically has to learn how to become a passer and keep his eyes downfield. If he learns to be more accurate, and to make multiple reads quickly, he'll be ok.
 
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