Number 4 QB

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volfan102455 said:
Some of you just need to give back your Vol card ... (if you even are a fan ...).

Dobbs beat out Peterman at Tennessee. It is that simple. And Dobbs was drafted before Peterman. It is that simple.

Some of you are just mad because Peterman was not drafted before Dobbs and thus you lost your chance to take a pot shot at the coach.
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Defending a Vol is not reason to give up the Vol card.
Those who slandered and maligned the young Vol Peterman should be ashamed.
 
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Old Geezer said:
Defending a Vol is not reason to give up the Vol card.
Those who slandered and maligned the young Vol Peterman should be ashamed.
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So it is okay to put down Dobbs but not okay to put down Peterman?

The intent of this thread in the first place was to slander someone and it wasn't Peterman.
 
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Burger said:
The AcC still out performed the SEC. The SEC has been relegated to Saban and the 13 dwarfs.
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Saying the same thing doesn't make it more real...Especially when it doesn't even address my previous remark!!!

Fact: The SEC still has more players drafted every year, EVERY YEAR!!! Not even close!!!!

The SEC as a whole still has more talent than any other conference in the country. Regardless of the lack of quality coaching in the SEC.

The SEC has dominated in recruiting, and the draft. ACC may have better coaching but the SEC has better players!!!

Good coaching can out beat better players! :)
 
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volfan102455 said:
Dobbs was thrown into the game before he had time to get his feet wet and did just fine.
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uhhh against Alabama didnt fair very well. lost 45-10 (course any QB the vols had would have probably played about the same)

Gets killed by Mizzou and throws 2 or 3 picks.

They then get their butts handed to them by Auburn

then get beat by VANDY....VANDY
 
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johnrlansford said:
Saying the same thing doesn't make it more real...Especially when it doesn't even address my previous remark!!!

Fact: The SEC still has more players drafted every year, EVERY YEAR!!! Not even close!!!!

The SEC as a whole still has more talent than any other conference in the country. Regardless of the lack of quality coaching in the SEC.

The SEC has dominated in recruiting, and the draft. ACC may have better coaching but the SEC has better players!!!

Good coaching can out beat better players! :)
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Those "better players" should have been able to win more than 4 games out of 14 head to head against the ACC.

A team is made up of players, coaches, and support staff. The ACC had better teams in 2016. You are stuck in the past when the SEC had parity, and more than one team.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Saying the same thing doesn't make it more real...Especially when it doesn't even address my previous remark!!!

Fact: The SEC still has more players drafted every year, EVERY YEAR!!! Not even close!!!!

The SEC as a whole still has more talent than any other conference in the country. Regardless of the lack of quality coaching in the SEC.

The SEC has dominated in recruiting, and the draft. ACC may have better coaching but the SEC has better players!!!

Good coaching can out beat better players! :)
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The SEC may have more talent, but the ACC has better teams because of the coaching. Explain why the ACC beat the SEC 10-4?

The coaching in the SEC is putrid. The conference is Saban, then everybody else is average at best. When coaches like Jones are completely average, there is a massive problem.
 
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volfan102455 said:
So it is okay to put down Dobbs but not okay to put down Peterman?

The intent of this thread in the first place was to slander someone and it wasn't Peterman.
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You completely missed the expressed intent of this thread from the very beginning. It had nothing to do with Dobbs.
Nobody is attacking Dobbs. You are pitting Dobbs against Peterman.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Those "better players" should have been able to win more than 4 games out of 14 head to head against the ACC.

A team is made up of players, coaches, and support staff. The ACC had better teams in 2016. You are stuck in the past when the SEC had parity, and more than one team.
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You are still twisting my words, I said the SEC has the best players...that is a fact. Coaching on the other hand is another issue. I think you just want to argue.

Peterman wasn't as good as Dobbs bottom line. Pitt wasn't as good as even Tennessee. Come on man!!! you think Pitt beats Tennessee this past season, then you are crazy!!!
 
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Burger said:
The SEC may have more talent, but the ACC has better teams because of the coaching. Explain why the ACC beat the SEC 10-4?

The coaching in the SEC is putrid. The conference is Saban, then everybody else is average at best. When coaches like Jones are completely average, there is a massive problem.
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Completely agree. Better players in SEC. Better coaching in ACC. You simply said exactly what I said!

Better coaching = more out of less. Its simple math, Alabama was better than Ohio State but yet Ohio State beat them, why U. Meyer out schemed Saban. Better coaching WON that day.

I am not sure it was coaching that put Clemson over the top this year, rather Alabama's workhorse running back going out in the 2nd quarter. Their game plan got wrecked, and they never adjusted to the game.

So i would argue Saban wasn't out coaches by Dabo but It could be a valid argument that he was as well. I just don't feel it was the case IMHO!!!
 
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johnrlansford said:
You are still twisting my words, I said the SEC has the best players...that is a fact. Coaching on the other hand is another issue. I think you just want to argue.

Peterman wasn't as good as Dobbs bottom line. Pitt wasn't as good as even Tennessee. Come on man!!! you think Pitt beats Tennessee this past season, then you are crazy!!!
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So, the team that beat the 14-1 national championship winner, and beat the 11 win Penn St team had no chance versus a Tennessee team that lost to a 7 loss Vandy team, and a 7 loss So. Carolina team? No way, huh? I'm crazy for thinking that?
 
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You could definitely argue that the majority of the wins the ACC got against the SEC was with ACC teams that were ranked higher within their own conference compared to their SEC opponents. Like VA Tech (the runner up) BARELY beating Arkansas only because Arkansas literally gave up in the 2nd half.
 
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TnBrock16 said:
You could definitely argue that the majority of the wins the ACC got against the SEC was with ACC teams that were ranked higher within their own conference compared to their SEC opponents. Like VA Tech (the runner up) BARELY beating Arkansas only because Arkansas literally gave up in the 2nd half.
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Don't bring facts here this is VolNation. There is no room for facts here!!! It doesn't fit their narrative. They will never show you who actually lost to the ACC.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, the team that beat the 14-1 national championship winner, and beat the 11 win Penn St team had no chance versus a Tennessee team that lost to a 7 loss Vandy team, and a 7 loss So. Carolina team? No way, huh? I'm crazy for thinking that?
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What makes you think about their style of play that they would beat UT, other than your dying need to be right in every topic discussion?

OK they beat Clemson? There defense couldn't have stopped us. We would have beat them like we did Iowa and Northwestern who were better teams that Pitt has been in years and that isn't saying much about Pitt either.
 
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johnrlansford said:
What makes you think about their style of play that they would beat UT, other than your dying need to be right in every topic discussion?

OK they beat Clemson? There defense couldn't have stopped us. We would have beat them like we did Iowa and Northwestern who were better teams that Pitt has been in years and that isn't saying much about Pitt either.
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We're arguing that the ACC is better than the SEC. Numbers say ACC was better this last year.

And Clemson would stop our offense like South Carolina did.
 
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johnrlansford said:
What makes you think about their style of play that they would beat UT, other than your dying need to be right in every topic discussion?

OK they beat Clemson? There defense couldn't have stopped us. We would have beat them like we did Iowa and Northwestern who were better teams that Pitt has been in years and that isn't saying much about Pitt either.
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I never said that Pitt "would" beat U.T. I said that they "could." If you think that is impossible, then you are the crazy one.
 
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TnBrock16 said:
You could definitely argue that the majority of the wins the ACC got against the SEC was with ACC teams that were ranked higher within their own conference compared to their SEC opponents. Like VA Tech (the runner up) BARELY beating Arkansas only because Arkansas literally gave up in the 2nd half.
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NC State beat Vandy
VT beat Arkansas
Georgia Tech beat Kentucky
Clemson beat Alabama
LSU beat Louisville

So Outside of Alabama who in the SEC lost that shouldn't have? When you play 3 of the Bottom 5 SEC Teams you should win atleast 3 out of 5. Come on man!!! But i guess the ACC is so superior to the SEC right?
 
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1972 Grad said:
I never said that Pitt "would" beat U.T. I said that they "could." If you think that is impossible, then you are the crazy one.
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I don't think it is possible because I don't have faith in the qb abilities of Nathan Peterman. Simply put I think he is over hyped and won't be successful at the next level.

Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong!!!:)
 
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Here are the games head to head. Someone else can rate where each team stands in their own conference, and compare winning margins.

10 wins:
Clemson 19 Auburn 14
FSU 45 Ole Miss 34
Ga Tech 38 Vandy 7
FSU 31 Florida 13
Ga Tech 28 Georgia 27
Clemson 56 S.C. 7
N.C. ST 41 Vandy 17
Va. Tech 35 Ark 24
Ga Tech 33 Ky 18
Clemson 35 Ala 31

4 losses:
Louisville 9 LSU 29
Louisville 38 Ky 41
Va Tech 24 U.T. 45
N.C. 24 Georgia 33
 
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Burger said:
We're arguing that the ACC is better than the SEC. Numbers say ACC was better this last year.

And Clemson would stop our offense like South Carolina did.
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What are you basing this information off of? Numbers don't mean anything. I'd like to see us play Clemson at least once a year. Ya know, with a healthy defense and better O-Line.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
What are you basing this information off of? Numbers don't mean anything. I'd like to see us play Clemson at least once a year. Ya know, with a healthy defense and better O-Line.
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You would like to see us play the team that played toe to toe with Alabama 2 years in a row for the Natl Ch? We can't seem to get within 30 points of Alabama now.
 
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1972 Grad said:
You would like to see us play the team that played toe to toe with Alabama 2 years in a row for the Natl Ch? We can't seem to get within 30 points of Alabama now.
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I guess unless you want to keep playing Chattanooga or Tennessee Tech every year. Hell I would have rather them schedule Clemson over that dirty chop blocking team of GTech. We couldn't have picked a worse game opener knowing our DT's will probably get hurt one way or another.

Point is, I'd rather schedule tough games like Clemson to get your players motivated and give the younger players experience regardless of getting blown out or possibly winning which we won't know until the game is played.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
What are you basing this information off of? Numbers don't mean anything. I'd like to see us play Clemson at least once a year. Ya know, with a healthy defense and better O-Line.
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ACC 10 - SEC 4.

Clemson would slaughter us badly. Even if we were healthy. If you think we could beat Clemson, then we seriously underperformed.
 
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Burger said:
ACC 10 - SEC 4.

Clemson would slaughter us badly. Even if we were healthy. If you think we could beat Clemson, then we seriously underperformed.
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We can if Butch gets his head out of his a**. Also I didn't think he had the right assistants, not to mention he was coaching way too uptight. Butch needs to be like Dabo and let his coaches do their jobs instead of trying to be Mr. Control Freak.
 
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