If Dormady and Guarantano Remain Even By 9/4/17

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butchna said:
Lot of fiction mixed with rear view window wisdom, here. Dobbs and his family WANTED a redshirt year...that's never been disputed! Saying Dobbs was instantly better and ready to go is ignoring the results on the field. Dobbs was a gamer and represented as relatively well as he could as a true freshman, but I can't help but remember the multitude of mensas on this very board that DECLARED him a failure and the example of how Butch couldn't recruit a SEC level QB...since Butch insisted on flipping Dobbs and the Lebs of the world thought that was reprehensible and a slap at Ferguson. We got the easy part. We can wait to be right and then insist that it was simple all along. Some poor bastaj has to make decisions between that time frame.
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there's a lot of things to criticize CBJ on, but the attempt to red shirt Dobbs was not one of them. if you also recall, regardless of Dobbs' wishes, we only had Peterman and Worely on the roster at the time. there was no dormady or guarantano or jones in the fold.

at that point in time, it was the right call to try to red shirt and have 4 years of Dobbs (if that would have happened, Dobbs would be a RS SR this year, playing out is final year of eligibility in 17, instead of 16).

so not knowing what the future held at qb, totally the right call. especially in year 1 when you didn't really have a team worth a damn, Dobbs was a guy that they believed they could build around in the future.
 
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Doesn't really matter what we decide will be the best decision. What will more than likely happen is that Dormady will start because hes the vet. The Vols will go 2-3 to start the season at that point it's too late to salvage the season with Bama still out there and he will begin to start JG who will rack up big numbers with little impact.
 
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volsportsfan said:
You people talking about a two qb system, and talking like it's ok if Dormady starts and JG takes over once Dormady falters, are you crazy!!??

It's this staffs job in spring and fall practice to produce game like practices and find out who the best QB is on this roster dad gum it!

We can't afford to lose to a team we should beat due to the wrong guy getting live snaps! The schedule is too tough! Get the right guy in there game 1 and you give yourself the best chance at the sec championship and a playoff birth. Lose one to a team we should/could have beat due to giving the wrong qb live snaps, then guess what? You are sitting at home watching the sec championship thinking, " that could've been us if so and so had started the whole year ".
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If you have 2QBs you don't have 1. Unless you are Florida playing Tennessee and then the second QB usually wins...lol
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Doesn't really matter what we decide will be the best decision. What will more than likely happen is that Dormady will start because hes the vet. The Vols will go 2-3 to start the season at that point it's too late to salvage the season with Bama still out there and he will begin to start JG who will rack up big numbers with little impact.
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here's the problem it's already been decided that if Dormady gets the nod, that it's only because CBJ will start the vet.

yet everyone wants to talk about competition.

there's zero room for the possibility that Dormady may just win the competition.

the only way, it seems, that it would be construed a competition actually took place, is if JG winds up being the starter.

and no matter what happens, one of them is transferring apparently.

there's no winning, just different levels of losing around here.:angel:
 
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jakez4ut said:
here's the problem it's already been decided that if Dormady gets the nod, that it's only because CBJ will start the vet.

yet everyone wants to talk about competition.

there's zero room for the possibility that Dormady may just win the competition.

the only way, it seems, that it would be construed a competition actually took place, is if JG winds up being the starter.

and no matter what happens, one of them is transferring apparently.

there's no winning, just different levels of losing around here.:angel:
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Here's Tennessee's new motto...
"Tennessee Football, different levels of losing since 2008"
 
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jakez4ut said:
here's the problem it's already been decided that if Dormady gets the nod, that it's only because CBJ will start the vet.

yet everyone wants to talk about competition.

there's zero room for the possibility that Dormady may just win the competition.

the only way, it seems, that it would be construed a competition actually took place, is if JG winds up being the starter.

and no matter what happens, one of them is transferring apparently.

there's no winning, just different levels of losing around here.:angel:
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You're right. And I think it's because people WANT to believe that JG is the next JT Barret waiting to happen and if it's true that Dirmandy is the better of the two then we truly are in trouble.
 
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Nice discussions all the way around, but for all those that think JG will transfer if Dormady gets the start. WATCH THE NFL DRAFT, Peterman AND Dobbs are poised to be gone by the end of the 2nd round AT THE LATEST! CBJ could easily use this to the VOLS advantage! I think the only QB we have to worry about transfering is SJ. This year is gonna be something special on offense and we WILL sign a top QB for 18.
 
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KINGSVOL said:
Nice discussions all the way around, but for all those that think JG will transfer if Dormady gets the start. WATCH THE NFL DRAFT, Peterman AND Dobbs are poised to be gone by the end of the 2nd round AT THE LATEST! CBJ could easily use this to the VOLS advantage! I think the only QB we have to worry about transfering is SJ. This year is gonna be something special on offense and we WILL sign a top QB for 18.
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I don't follow you. Peterman is getting drafted BECAUSE he transferred. How does that help our case?
 
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KINGSVOL said:
Nice discussions all the way around, but for all those that think JG will transfer if Dormady gets the start. WATCH THE NFL DRAFT, Peterman AND Dobbs are poised to be gone by the end of the 2nd round AT THE LATEST! CBJ could easily use this to the VOLS advantage! I think the only QB we have to worry about transfering is SJ. This year is gonna be something special on offense and we WILL sign a top QB for 18.
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CBJ had zero positive impact on Nathan Peterman's draft status. Even Butch isn't crazy enough to try to sell that narrative to recruits.
 
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KINGSVOL said:
Nice discussions all the way around, but for all those that think JG will transfer if Dormady gets the start. WATCH THE NFL DRAFT, Peterman AND Dobbs are poised to be gone by the end of the 2nd round AT THE LATEST! CBJ could easily use this to the VOLS advantage! I think the only QB we have to worry about transfering is SJ. This year is gonna be something special on offense and we WILL sign a top QB for 18.
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peterman doesn't get to the NFL w/out transferring.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I don't follow you. Peterman is getting drafted BECAUSE he transferred. How does that help our case?
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It doesn't, which is further proof that the younger qb will transfer. If JG isn't the starting qb by the end of the 2017 season he WILL transfer to another school its pretty simple. Top ranked prospects don't sit and wait anymore. Some people honestly believe he will sit this season and next season Dormady senior year? Not a chance.
 
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sofflavol said:
It doesn't, which is further proof that the younger qb will transfer. If JG isn't the starting qb by the end of the 2017 season he WILL transfer to another school its pretty simple. Top ranked prospects don't sit and wait anymore. Some people honestly believe he will sit this season and next season Dormady senior year? Not a chance.
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So he transfers AT THE END OF THE 2017 SEASON..."waits" out the transfer year and is ready to compete at a different school the same timeframe he would have at Tennessee (unless he won the starting job in the two years of opportunity available by staying)? Ok. :eek:k:
 
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while we're talking possibilities...what if Dormady gets the job has a lights out year and goes to the NFL early? leaving JG 3 full years of eligibility left. would he be wiser to stick around and see how that plays out?

i mean if we're going to go full on fantasy........
 
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jakez4ut said:
while we're talking possibilities...what if Dormady gets the job has a lights out year and goes to the NFL early? leaving JG 3 full years of eligibility left. would he be wiser to stick around and see how that plays out?

i mean if we're going to go full on fantasy........
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What if D4H doesn't have Dormady in his Top 15? Kiss of death. :ermm:
 
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MWAVolfan said:
You're right. And I think it's because people WANT to believe that JG is the next JT Barret waiting to happen and if it's true that Dirmandy is the better of the two then we truly are in trouble.
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J.T Barrett???? Couldn't you find a better example? Johnny Manziel, Deshaun Watson....
 
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Riley Ferguson played pretty darn good this year for Memphis. He reminds me so much of Tyler Bray it isn't even funny.
 
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butchna said:
So he transfers AT THE END OF THE 2017 SEASON..."waits" out the transfer year and is ready to compete at a different school the same timeframe he would have at Tennessee (unless he won the starting job in the two years of opportunity available by staying)? Ok. :eek:k:
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How long is the cut off to sit out the entire year? (i honestly don't know) i would imagine a young "Stud" qb with something to prove would get his feathers ruffled if he felt not only he was the better qb but was strung along and made to sit out an entire season. You see it all the time where the player ABSOLUTELY leaves just out of spite at the end of the season if he feels he could transfer to a school and start fresh.
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?
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I think people are in love with JG because there's no evidence to contradict their optimism. He's not played a single snap of live game action. He, by all accounts, has an incredible amount of talent and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. But I don't think the coaching staff would throw a guy out there if all they had to go on was pure talent.

Dormady, on the other hand, has been on the field some and he's put up solid, but limited, numbers. That's not his fault. He's never had to play when the pressure is on. He seems like the safer bet right now just by being here longer.

My prediction is that Dormady gets the nod in the opener but he'll be on a short leash. We may even see JG in some situational stuff. I think if QD is playing average to well, I think the coaches stick with him and maybe stick JG in there for a series here or there to get him some experience. I just can't see Butch Jones putting a guy out there who has zero game experience to start the season.
 
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In the same category as seeing a difference in Butch this spring, I think he goes with the younger guy in this scenario. I think Butch is still learning on the job and has been doing a lot of critical thinking coming into year 5. He has to. He has to change some things to get over that hump. We are better, but hopefully he is racking his brain on how do we now reach that NEXT level of elites. Starting a qb like JG his freshman year instead of going with loyalty or seniority may be the best bet in this scenario for Butch and for UT.
 
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