If Dormady and Guarantano Remain Even By 9/4/17

[Volsfaninva917]

You play the better QB. If the "talking heads" are the coaches, there's no problem. If not? Let the heads talk and do your job.

But the question was if both were even, not who was the better QB

 

[1974Vol]

With no true game experience for either JG or QD you have to let them both have some consequential game action before you can decide. Practice reps are important but until you take that green jersey off and it all gets full speed and real you just can't really know who is the best gamer.

 

[Stoked]

I think JG would transfer if he doesn't start unfortunately. Why would he want to stay behind QD for another two years and only get a chance at starting for 2 years?

 

[volmandu]

I do not have any confidence in Butch's ability to make the right QB decision. I like Butch but this is purely based on how bad he messed it up last time. He picked Worley over Dobbs and Peterman that second year. Peterman wasn't SEC ready but he put Peterman in first before Dobbs in that Alabama game. Dobbs had multiple starts under his belt when he was passed by Peterman whose only start was a disaster. Before all this, Riley Furgeson had already transferred as he was upset over being overlooked in favor of Worley. That second year, had Dobbs played on Florida, we would have won. FL made a change in QB with offense not clicking and won 10-9. We stuck with what wasn't working and lost with only 9 points on board.
Butch got lucky that Dobbs didn't leave his second year after being 3rd string behind Worley and Peterman. He only got chance in AL game after Peterman.
Yep, I have no confidence Butch will pick the right QB.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Best case scenario is QD starts the entire year, goes 10 and 2 or better and declares for the draft. JG takes over in 18 and does the same or better, setting UT up as QBU and the top QB recruits all come to UT for the next decade or more.

Worst case scenario is neither QB sets themselves apart. Butch starts the wrong guy, doesn't make a change until it's the worst possible time to do so, damaging the psyche of both QB's in the process and neither one recovers until they transfer to Rutgers and the other UT respectively.

I'm hoping QD starts, wins, goes pro and JG stays to do the same in 18.

Agree with this being the dream scenario QB wise. Would be huge for recruiting too if we had starters drafted in back to back years.


I'm not sure we see that happen, but hey off Mitch Trubisky can work his way to a probably first round pick then who knows.

 

[VolBricks]

Considering we have a very good and experienced line, it is not as critical to have the scrambling, running qb as with Dobbs. I think Dormady will end up with the job and will stay the starter until he doesn't deliver. If JG will stay with the team, he may end up starting later in the season, just not the first few games imo.

I agree with your statement BUT, if you have a good line that can block and you add a running QB then that line might be great and running game improve. Or Not. It is a gamble either way.

 

[butchna]

But the question was if both were even, not who was the better QB

There's no such thing as "even". ONE is going to have the offense down better. Once upon a time, Joe Montana and Steve Young were on the same team. Young was the superior athlete but was trumped by Montana having the offense down to a science. When Young eventually took over, he was phenomenal but it didn't make the Super Bowls won by Montana any cheaper. I don't KNOW who has the better grasp and I don't believe Dormady has a significant lead with his limited snaps. That's the coaches job. Some of us may bristle at them not picking our personal preference but preference isn't any more a science with passion behind it.

 

[RollerVol]

wouldn't doubt Dormady to start, but believe
JG will see playing time...too good to sit idly on the bench all the time...also, always one snap away from injury, and,

GO VOLS!

 

[smokey0625]

While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?

I let coaches decide because they are there everyday. I've seen a two second blip of both qbs his spring so I'm not fit to judge. Jones seems to learn from mistakes so I doubt he remains loyal to a kid (Hurd) simply bc you said things to get him to come to the university. The best guy will play but he won't decide until it's too late for either kid to transfer.

 

[basspond]

If all things are even, Jones will start Dormandy over Guarantano. If that's the situation, either are qualified to do the job. Fulmer started Todd Helton over Manning. Turned out Manning had the "it" factor, took over mid-season, and the rest is history.
On paper JG appears to the next big thing but, Dormandy has not shown any weaknesses or reasons to lose his spot. He's more mobile than people thought, big arm, knows the offense, prototypical QB build, etc.. How could any coach not give him his due? What if he's actually better than JG? (Gasp). Nobody knows until the games are played.

 

[savannahfan]

How do you determine the best player that determines the best chances to win on the field? How about the field?

First of all,I am not advising a two qb system. Consider recent history. After Worley as out for the season, you have a choice between a qb that's really good in practice but with the propensity to melt down in games. Then you have the qb that lags in practice but electrifies in games. A coach can not know these things without the game. Why would you take that chance? Then there is Sheaffer/Ainge, Stewart/Manning. Can any one consider these qb competitions as anything other than a success? And if these players are real competitors, this is exactly what they live for. Another observation is that you could not create a greater competition between the two. Could you imagine a really bad practice being as devastating as a bad game if they are fighting for their qb future. Its great to have two guys we believe in than to have just one prima donna in waiting.

What it comes down to is letting the competition run its coarse and letting the winner actually win it as opposed to awarding it, just so you can say you have your #1. Not a two qb system, just letting #1 be determined when he wins it.

For a lot of years I have had misgivings about "starting". What does it mean? Who starts, at any position in any team sport, means very little when the finial score is posted. It's who played the most effectively for the finial winning outcome, that's what counts. Not who started.
As to our situation at QB, having two good players of equal ability should not be such a problem. Just make sure both are ready to go all the time. That means playing both. Counting on a single guy at the qb position, handling the ball nearly every play, to be able to go the whole season (forget about Dobbs, we're just lucky he made it) is a pipe dream. Play them both.

 

[sofflavol]

I think JG would transfer if he doesn't start unfortunately. Why would he want to stay behind QD for another two years and only get a chance at starting for 2 years?

^ Unfortunately this is college football now, very rare for a kid to ride the pine if they truly are as good as advertised. you don't have to play in the SEC to get on national tv and get highly drafted, hes a northeast boy at heart and if he and his family see the writing on the wall and he can transfer and start at a Rutgers and light it up. He will leave for sure.

 

[05_never_again]

You guys really think JG would transfer if he doesn't get to play this year? He's just a redshirt frosh and it isn't like Dormady is an underclassman.

I think JG will play this year, but even if he didn't the job would be his in 2018 as a redshirt soph.

 

[Coug]

While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

No

 

[Remy]

^ Unfortunately this is college football now, very rare for a kid to ride the pine if they truly are as good as advertised. you don't have to play in the SEC to get on national tv and get highly drafted, hes a northeast boy at heart and if he and his family see the writing on the wall and he can transfer and start at a Rutgers and light it up. He will leave for sure.

If you're a competitor and your family members were competitors, you understand on the front end as a player,coach, and fan nobody gets better or improves watching others play the game. If you have no special attachment to the school like being a legacy or other significant variable in play you go where you can play and improve. QD is from Texas and JG is from Jersey, hardly any significant variable made public making either of them loyal to the school. I have no special insight into either player but I cannot see both of these guys playing for the Vols in 2018 no matter which one gets the nod.

 

[VolsnRavens]

If all things are even, Jones will start Dormandy over Guarantano. If that's the situation, either are qualified to do the job. Fulmer started Todd Helton over Manning. Turned out Manning had the "it" factor, took over mid-season, and the rest is history.
On paper JG appears to the next big thing but, Dormandy has not shown any weaknesses or reasons to lose his spot. He's more mobile than people thought, big arm, knows the offense, prototypical QB build, etc.. How could any coach not give him his due? What if he's actually better than JG? (Gasp). Nobody knows until the games are played.

No N in Dormady....

I do believe JG will transfer out instead of waiting another year. Being the top rated QB coming in, I'm sure he's biting his nails to play. And there are a lot of teams that would take him in a heartbeat to run their offense. jmo

 

[VolFreakJosh]

I met get flamed for this but this is just my opinion. Honestly I think JG would fit better in this offense with his athleticism, similar to how Dobbs was. I'm not saying he's more athletic than Dobbs but he could still provide that "extra spark". I know a couple of practices during drills that Dormady escaped pressure with his legs and JG was sacked twice but that really doesn't mean anything. You're going up against fast DE's & Linebackers in the SEC so in actual games, it's a whole another ball game. I am worried about JG transferring out if Dormady gets the starting job cause he's still talented enough to make an impact on any team he chooses.

Again, this is not a knock on Dormady cause he's very talented as well throwing the football. Now, if the O-Line has improved then I could see Dormady being successful but if they don't hold up again, you'll see another "Worley" type of player. Dobbs made the O-Line look better than they actually was.

Either way, I just hope Butch makes the right choice to help win the SEC East whether it's Dormady or JG. I just want to see us win again. Go Vols.

 

[jpope9]

Butch will start Dormady just because of the formality of starting the upper classmen. Whenever Dormady gets pulled, either for injury or performance, Butch can put JG in and point to a promising future.

which Butch wont be a part of if this season goes to crap.

 

[orangeluvr]

While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?

Those QBs transferred out , saban was lucky hurts was able to stay healthy. CBJ has a history of going through fall camp and naming the starter . The one exception was collaros at cincy. Looks like the QB battle will dominate the conversation 'til it's settled following fall camp.

 

[basspond]

No N in Dormady....

I do believe JG will transfer out instead of waiting another year. Being the top rated QB coming in, I'm sure he's biting his nails to play. And there are a lot of teams that would take him in a heartbeat to run their offense. jmo

Well, there should be. It makes more sense.
Thanks for the catch and saving me future embarrassment.

 

[volsportsfan]

You people talking about a two qb system, and talking like it's ok if Dormady starts and JG takes over once Dormady falters, are you crazy!!??

It's this staffs job in spring and fall practice to produce game like practices and find out who the best QB is on this roster dad gum it!

We can't afford to lose to a team we should beat due to the wrong guy getting live snaps! The schedule is too tough! Get the right guy in there game 1 and you give yourself the best chance at the sec championship and a playoff birth. Lose one to a team we should/could have beat due to giving the wrong qb live snaps, then guess what? You are sitting at home watching the sec championship thinking, " that could've been us if so and so had started the whole year ".

 

[90 Vol]

If both QB's are dead even, you go with experience IMO. However, I'm not in favor of starting the experienced guy if the younger guy is better and gives us a better chance to win. It's likely that one of these guys will seperate themselves enough to earn the spot.

 

[volsportsfan]

I don't care who the starter is either! Put the best one in!!!!!!!!!!

 

[butchna]

I do not have any confidence in Butch's ability to make the right QB decision. I like Butch but this is purely based on how bad he messed it up last time. He picked Worley over Dobbs and Peterman that second year. Peterman wasn't SEC ready but he put Peterman in first before Dobbs in that Alabama game. Dobbs had multiple starts under his belt when he was passed by Peterman whose only start was a disaster. Before all this, Riley Furgeson had already transferred as he was upset over being overlooked in favor of Worley. That second year, had Dobbs played on Florida, we would have won. FL made a change in QB with offense not clicking and won 10-9. We stuck with what wasn't working and lost with only 9 points on board.
Butch got lucky that Dobbs didn't leave his second year after being 3rd string behind Worley and Peterman. He only got chance in AL game after Peterman.
Yep, I have no confidence Butch will pick the right QB.

Lot of fiction mixed with rear view window wisdom, here. Dobbs and his family WANTED a redshirt year...that's never been disputed! Saying Dobbs was instantly better and ready to go is ignoring the results on the field. Dobbs was a gamer and represented as relatively well as he could as a true freshman, but I can't help but remember the multitude of mensas on this very board that DECLARED him a failure and the example of how Butch couldn't recruit a SEC level QB...since Butch insisted on flipping Dobbs and the Lebs of the world thought that was reprehensible and a slap at Ferguson. We got the easy part. We can wait to be right and then insist that it was simple all along. Some poor bastaj has to make decisions between that time frame.

 

[butchna]

No N in Dormady....

I do believe JG will transfer out instead of waiting another year. Being the top rated QB coming in, I'm sure he's biting his nails to play. And there are a lot of teams that would take him in a heartbeat to run their offense. jmo

And he'd have to sit ANOTHER season to satisfy a transfer. Hope he has enough nails. If he's that delicate and bails instead of fighting to win the job, he's not what we've ballyhooed. I don't believe that about him btw. :shhh: