To Protect and to Serve II

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VolStrom said:
Yeah it was weird when they slammed his face into the arm rest and knocked his teeth out and bloodied his face too.
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I'm not saying they handled the situation correctly .... not at all.... he may very well have been concussed after hitting the arm rest. I also heard that he ran back on to the plane after being dragged out.... they may have kicked his ass for that too.....
 
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VolStrom said:
Yeah it was weird when they slammed his face into the arm rest and knocked his teeth out and bloodied his face too.
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Who said it wasn't?

Just talking about the guy here. Just the guy. Focus on the guy. His behavior and weird ass scream was pretty damn weird.

Snap. Focus. Snap snap. Focus.
 
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He and his lawyers are going to overvalue the case. A reasonable pretrial settlement range is probably up to $500,000, figuring hes going to have 30k in med bills.

Once you start asking for a lot more than ten times your provable damages, you can turn off even a sympathetic jury.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He and his lawyers are going to overvalue the case. A reasonable pretrial settlement range is probably up to $500,000, figuring hes going to have 30k in med bills.

Once you start asking for a lot more than ten times your provable damages, you can turn off even a sympathetic jury.
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It will be more than 30k.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Not a valid response if you consider Nazi Germany's laws, or Ancient Assyrian. "Legal" and "moral" aren't necessarily synonymous.
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killing Jews and taking away their property does not equal the removal of an individual from an airline. The comparison to those atrocities are disingenuous.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or if the people don't like it, they pay for it with blood to get it changed. How many people had to lose their lives for certain laws in this country to change? Hell, how much blood was spilled to get us away from England.

There is either the peaceful way you suggested or the violent way.

My hope is that this guy is the only one that has to pay in blood, when something like this could be sorted out very easily with a little common sense.
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You're right it could have been settled with common sense. He gets his ass up, doesn't escalate to trespassing and this never happens. But he didn't do that. Instead he acts like a child and has to be taken off by three officials. The airline owns the plane, they have a policy as a business and to not follow that policy is on the dr. Not United.
 
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utvols88 said:
You're right it could have been settled with common sense. He gets his ass up, doesn't escalate to trespassing and this never happens. But he didn't do that. Instead he acts like a child and has to be taken off by three officials. The airline owns the plane, they have a policy as a business and to not follow that policy is on the dr. Not United.
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Or...

They could have upted the ante. I'm sorry brother, but this is on them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He and his lawyers are going to overvalue the case. A reasonable pretrial settlement range is probably up to $500,000, figuring hes going to have 30k in med bills.

Once you start asking for a lot more than ten times your provable damages, you can turn off even a sympathetic jury.
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Who's paying? UA or airport? In your expert opinion.
 
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utvols88 said:
You're right it could have been settled with common sense. He gets his ass up, doesn't escalate to trespassing and this never happens. But he didn't do that. Instead he acts like a child and has to be taken off by three officials. The airline owns the plane, they have a policy as a business and to not follow that policy is on the dr. Not United.
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Here you go with this "policy"/"read the fine print" lunacy when in reality, all you're doing is saying that this passenger didn't hold up his end of the deal when in reality, it was the airline that didn't hold up their end of the deal. He paid for his ticket and boarded the plane. United screwed up on their own with the flight schedule.
 
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hog88 said:
Ultimately its on the passenger. He didn't live up to his contract.
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So the airline has no accountability in holding up their end of the deal? You all make it out as though this guy committed some infraction that forced him to get booted off the plane.

Can you not see that the passenger is not the problem or the source of the problem?
 
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utvols88 said:
killing Jews and taking away their property does not equal the removal of an individual from an airline. The comparison to those atrocities are disingenuous.
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It is less a comparison of the acts themselves and moreso a comparison of justification. How people will justify an act because it is legal, they're just following orders, carrying out the aggressive enforcement of the letter of the law, etc. It is meant to show, using a blatantly extreme example by design, the idea that conflating the law of the land with absolute morality is inherently wrong. To argue otherwise is to say the only thing preventing you from killing me is your desire to adhere to the law.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So the airline has no accountability in holding up their end of the deal? You all make it out as though this guy committed some infraction that forced him to get booted off the plane.

Can you not see that the passenger is not the problem or the source of the problem?
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People care about what's legal...not what's right or wrong. Interestingly, they're the same kind of people who always complain about lawyers.
 
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utvols88 said:
It's their plane, their policies that he agreed to agree at the time of purchase. Quit passing the blame to others.
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Were not passing the blame to others. We're passing the blame squarely on the shoulders of the one responsible for the fiasco in the first place: United Airlines.

No one is passing the blame on to the FAA, Obama, Jake and Elwood, or Ryne Sandberg.
 
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What if this passenger were black, Muslim, or gay? Would the airline have treated this differently? Would the outrage been greater? Would Al or Jessie shown up?
 
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