Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIII

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OddFuture said:
Basketball it happens a hell of a lot more. I agree with you. If you aren't playing a whole lot on your team, graduate and play your last year somewhere you might get a better opportunity. Transferring earlier in your career could work out, but I'd say grad transfers typically have higher success.
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Yeah, grad transfer seems to be the way to go.
 
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It doesn't happen as much in football because schools schedule out their hours so that they graduate in December of their senior
 
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OddFuture said:
He followed Grantham around. From Georgia to Louisville and grantham left for Mississippi State.. But Petrino blocked Mississippi state from schools he could transfer too. Look for him to get back in the SEC
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Thanks for the info! If that's the case then hopefully Butch goes after him.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
It really depends on the skill sets of the RBs though. If your two RBs are just pure RBs, then yeah I get what you're saying. But I'd argue that our 12 personnel with Hurd, Kamara, and Dobbs presented a lot of challenges for defenses that most other teams' 12 personnel wouldn't present.


When we had Hurd and Kamara both playing at full effort, having them both on the field was our most dangerous formation IMO. One of those guys was gonna present a mismatch for a defender and 2/3 had the explosiveness to really make a defense pay if a single guy missed his read.

Hurd' skillset basically made him like a 2nd TE who could lead block/pass block for Dobbs or Kamara and also be a threat in the passing and running game. Kamara was as shifty as any back in the NCAA last year and good enough in the passing game he could probably have played slot for a lot of teams. Dobbs of course is probably the best running QB we've ever had play here.


Because of those varying skill sets, teams had to choose whether to defend it as 12 or 21 personnel, when really the guys we had on the field were versatile enough to us to run plays as if we had both sets of personnel on the field at once.

If every team had two guys with the skill sets of Hurd and Kamara, I think you'd see a lot more two back sets nowadays. But most teams don't have that kind of talent in the backfield (or at least not two backs who are as versatile as those two were).
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I understand what you are saying....

However, if you are running the ball to say Hurd... Kamara isn't the greatest blocker... so you are essentially wasting a player... now if we are throwing out of that backfield then I agree but running the ball you are wasting a back...

That's also why you don't see any two back formations in the NFL anymore.... but I appreciate the intelligent conversation... 😎
 
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BruinVol said:
It doesn't happen as much in football because schools schedule out their hours so that they graduate in December of their senior
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Very easy to get ahead by taking summer classes. Also even easier to graduate if you redshirt a year and transfer after 4+ full years before your redshirt senior season
 
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OddFuture said:
Very easy to get ahead by taking summer classes. Also even easier to graduate if you redshirt a year and transfer after 4+ full years before your redshirt senior season
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Agreed on the redshirt but the NCAA penalizes schools for having kids in grad school if they don't graduate. That's why schools don't want their players graduating before their eligibility is up.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
I understand what you are saying....

However, if you are running the ball to say Hurd... Kamara isn't the greatest blocker... so you are essentially wasting a player... now if we are throwing out of that backfield then I agree but running the ball you are wasting a back...

That's also why you don't see any two back formations in the NFL anymore.... but I appreciate the intelligent conversation... 😎
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The NFL is a completely different animal though. There's a lot of stuff college teams do that NFL teams can't or don't do.


As for that formation wasting a back if the runs go to Hurd, it's still not always the case. They would shift Kamara out into the slot sometimes to make space for Dobbs/Hurd on zone read plays or go with run/pass options that left defenders in spots where it was difficult to make the right reads/decisions.


Kamara didn't necessarily have to blow up anyone blocking to make space for Dobbs/Hurd on the ground. They were able to do that just by shifting him around making defenses adjust.

In theory I don't think what you're saying is wrong necessarily. But (especially in 2015 when our WRs struggled) having those two in the field together was not a waste at all. It was one of our most effect personnel groupings and it gave defenses headaches.
 
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BruinVol said:
Agreed on the redshirt but the NCAA penalizes schools for having kids in grad school if they don't graduate. That's why schools don't want their players graduating before their eligibility is up.
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Schools may not want it, but you can bet you a** coaches love that rule. Getting kids on track to graduate in ~3 years is a really convenient and efficient way of creating space for more scholarships if a guy doesn't pan out or is buried on the depth chart behind younger players.

Which is part (not all, but part) of the reason they keep kids enrolled in all the summer mini terms and whatnot nowadays too. Someone like Nathan Peterman can enrollee early in January 2012, graduate in December 2014, transfer and open up a roster spot for a Quentin Dormady to come in early in 2015.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
The NFL is a completely different animal though. There's a lot of stuff college teams do that NFL teams can't or don't do.


As for that formation wasting a back if the runs go to Hurd, it's still not always the case. They would shift Kamara out into the slot sometimes to make space for Dobbs/Hurd on zone read plays or go with run/pass options that left defenders in spots where it was difficult to make the right reads/decisions.


Kamara didn't necessarily have to blow up anyone blocking to make space for Dobbs/Hurd on the ground. They were able to do that just by shifting him around making defenses adjust.

In theory I don't think what you're saying is wrong necessarily. But (especially in 2015 when our WRs struggled) having those two in the field together was not a waste at all. It was one of our most effect personnel groupings and it gave defenses headaches.
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Neither of us are wrong.... it is just a difference in philosophy

I am not a two back guy... I just think a team would be better suited if they were using wideouts for wideouts instead of substituting RB's for the job(although I am all for and a strong proponent of catching RB's)

I don't like adding more people in the box especially with the line we had.... (Also thinking about doing a thread about then different technique they use involving judo concepts and centrical force) I just think we lead block more effieciently with a TE or a H back....

Now if you start with two and then motion Kamara out... we'll that is a diffferent story...
 
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Anyone hear overstreet and weird beard Pennington on 990 talking best and worse case for Tennessee this fall?

I'm sorry but if 8-4 is the absolute best case then we should have fired Butch last December.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Anyone hear overstreet and weird beard Pennington on 990 talking best and worse case for Tennessee this fall?

I'm sorry but if 8-4 is the absolute best case then we should have fired Butch last December.
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Open up with a potential top 25 team in GT while trying to break in a new QB, play in the swamp, Georgia returns their entire team, play at bama, and late game against lsu. Four loses are pretty easy to find. If we go 8-4 this year then Butch hasn't done a good job, but it would still be a decent season for the circumstances
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Open up with a potential top 25 team in GT while trying to break in a new QB, play in the swamp, Georgia returns their entire team, play at bama, and late game against lsu. Four loses are pretty easy to find. If we go 8-4 this year then Butch hasn't done a good job, but it would still be a decent season for the circumstances
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8-4 is not best case though. We went 8-4 two years ago and gave away two games. And that was with a roster that sent nobody to the draft.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
8-4 is not best case though. We went 8-4 two years ago and gave away two games. And that was with a roster that sent nobody to the draft.
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9-3 is the absolute best case scenario IMO. This team has so many question marks that it is hard to blame anyone for not buying into this team. They could go undefeated but from an objective viewpoint it makes sense for people to say we will go 8-4 at best
 
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scvolfan7 said:
9-3 is the absolute best case scenario IMO. This team has so many question marks that it is hard to blame anyone for not buying into this team. They could go undefeated but from an objective viewpoint it makes sense for people to say we will go 8-4 at best
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That Florida team we dismantled last September was a rain out short of nine regular season wins.

I just can't wrap my head around 8-4 being considered best case. I expect 8-4. If he turns in 7 wins or less I want him fired. We can hire someone tomorrow that can win 7 or 8 a year.
 
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