USA Today: What to like about No. 18 Tennessee

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johnrlansford said:
GT amd LSU are not making our schedule easier...Atleast we don't play all of the best teams in 4 straight weeks again.:)
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We beat the snot out of GT and everybody will be complaining about how mediocre they are...same with LSU. :loco:
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kind of like how we almost lost to App State and people on here were talking about them being a top 25 team until Miami went to Boone and curb stomped them.
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Can't remember the last time one of your post was negative!!!:thud:

Its like looking at both sides of the coin, you are always on the wrong side of the coin toss!!!
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kind of like how we almost lost to App State and people on here were talking about them being a top 25 team until Miami went to Boone and curb stomped them.
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yeah, watching Miami pummel them in Boone was a little depressing. but iirc, isn't that the only 2 games they lost? app didn't suck.

in the end, no way we should have had to rely in a missed PAT, go to OT, and wind up with a fumble recovery in the end zone for the W.

there were tell tales in that game that haunted us all season, especially on the O line.
 
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KBVol said:
Talented roster, great facilities, great fan base, SEC.....and $4mm annual salary. Strongly disagree. It'd be a very attractive job for some high level coaches. Now, I seriously doubt the blithering idiots in charge over there would come close to hiring the right guy, but I think there would be plenty of top coaches interested in the job.
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The blithering idiots are far more likely keep an underperforming coach until the roster is once again at critical mass and falling.

Most of the people arguing that Jones will survive whether they think he should or shouldn't often overlook this critical component. Jones' recruiting has predictably tapered off due to the bad losses and failures to win the East or optimize talent. The '18 class will hinge on Jones' performance this fall. If the difference between landing and not landing a top class appears to be Jones as on the field performance... he's gone. He has to be.
 
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KBVol said:
Talented roster, great facilities, great fan base, SEC.....and $4mm annual salary. Strongly disagree. It'd be a very attractive job for some high level coaches. Now, I seriously doubt the blithering idiots in charge over there would come close to hiring the right guy, but I think there would be plenty of top coaches interested in the job.
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:rock:
 
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sjt18 said:
The blithering idiots are far more likely keep an underperforming coach until the roster is once again at critical mass and falling.

Most of the people arguing that Jones will survive whether they think he should or shouldn't often overlook this critical component. Jones' recruiting has predictably tapered off due to the bad losses and failures to win the East or optimize talent. The '18 class will hinge on Jones' performance this fall. If the difference between landing and not landing a top class appears to be Jones as on the field performance... he's gone. He has to be.
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Or not...and life goes on. :)
 
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There seems to be a strange thing occurring in this thread..
If we underperform with Butch in 17 but keep him to 18, we lose the 18 talent.
If we bail on Butch during the regular season, we lose the 18 talent.
This thread got dark: damned no matter what we do.

Eight wins and Butch hangs around. We lost a lot, but Florida's defense is graduating, Georgia's offensive line will be inexperienced. The East will come down to the big three, with the others ruining someone's season along the way.

Of course Butch might pull out 10 wins, sign a top ten recruiting class in 18, and beat Muschamp and Vandy. That will work best for me.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
There seems to be a strange thing occurring in this thread..
If we underperform with Butch in 17 but keep him to 18, we lose the 18 talent.
If we bail on Butch during the regular season, we lose the 18 talent.
This thread got dark: damned no matter what we do.

Eight wins and Butch hangs around. We lost a lot, but Florida's defense is graduating, Georgia's offensive line will be inexperienced. The East will come down to the big three, with the others ruining someone's season along the way.

Of course Butch might pull out 10 wins, sign a top ten recruiting class in 18, and beat Muschamp and Vandy. That will work best for me.
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i think it's important to note that while many think we take a step back on the field this year, self included, it doesn't necessarily mean it translates in to recruiting failures.

to the contrary. you still have the draft coming up ina month, where 6 Vols could have their names called, all recruited by Butch, 2 being early departures. that's a win on the recruiting trail.

if we go to and win another bowl, you still have hte ablity to point to the fact that this isn't the Tennessee of 5 years ago, and we're a lot closer to a title today, than we were then.

new AD provides the opportunity for stability, new staff that hopefully shows improvements on the field, new staff that hopefully develops and builds on relationships etc....

you still have facilities that compare with anyone.

i think the percption that recruiting will take a hit is just that, percption.

of course, it could go the other way to, as it's all lin the eye of the beholder, and there's no doubt in my mind that negatively recruting against TN isn't all that hard right now, but there's still a good "sell".

and there's enough really good talent in state that he won't have to go too far from home to put together a really good class in 18.

point being, there are always if's and hopes, but there is an opportunity from a recruiting standpoint to do some real good this cycle.

time will tell, but i don't think a 7-5 year automatically = bad class.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
There seems to be a strange thing occurring in this thread..
If we underperform with Butch in 17 but keep him to 18, we lose the 18 talent.
If we bail on Butch during the regular season, we lose the 18 talent.
This thread got dark: damned no matter what we do.
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That is not a "true" statement. It is a conditional statement. Fire Jones if he underperforms and hire some mid-major nobody... Yeah, class probably won't be very good. Fire Jones and get a solid replacement... and the instate guys with UT loyalty will be on board. Those that aren't "Orange" inside... aren't guarantees no matter what happens. (Witness the top TN recruits that said no to Jones this year)

Eight wins and Butch hangs around. We lost a lot, but Florida's defense is graduating, Georgia's offensive line will be inexperienced. The East will come down to the big three, with the others ruining someone's season along the way.
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I think 8 is the boundary... If that's where he lands, I think it will matter who he lost to for the 4th loss. If it is someone like Vandy then I think he's in big trouble. I'm not sure how long it has been since UT had a 5 year coach with a losing record vs Vandy.... if ever.

Of course Butch might pull out 10 wins, sign a top ten recruiting class in 18, and beat Muschamp and Vandy. That will work best for me.
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No doubt. I get accused of "hating" Jones. I don't. I'm just not impressed by him so far. I would love for the new staff to have the talent and cohesion to make Jones successful. If so, I hope he has learned how to assemble an SEC caliber staff.

It doesn't help UT to go through another coaching change... it just hurts them even more to keep an underperforming coach.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think the percption that recruiting will take a hit is just that, percption. ...



time will tell, but i don't think a 7-5 year automatically = bad class.
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There are no "automatics". There's always a chance of some strange and unpredictable factors coming into play. But it really isn't just perception either. It is history. Coaches with success have an obvious advantage. New HC's like Jones once was have an excitement advantage. Coaches that have pretty much established themselves as 2nd tier... fight over what's left... which isn't good enough to win championships. Jones has not proven to be a coach who can take that kind of talent and "coach it up" to championship contention. Just the opposite.

Another way of saying it is that a 5 year coach with a 500 or worse SEC record gives opposing recruiters WAY more than enough ammo to successfully negative recruit.
 
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sjt18 said:
That is not a "true" statement. It is a conditional statement. Fire Jones if he underperforms and hire some mid-major nobody... Yeah, class probably won't be very good. Fire Jones and get a solid replacement... and the instate guys with UT loyalty will be on board. Those that aren't "Orange" inside... aren't guarantees no matter what happens. (Witness the top TN recruits that said no to Jones this year)

I think 8 is the boundary... If that's where he lands, I think it will matter who he lost to for the 4th loss. If it is someone like Vandy then I think he's in big trouble. I'm not sure how long it has been since UT had a 5 year coach with a losing record vs Vandy.... if ever.


No doubt. I get accused of "hating" Jones. I don't. I'm just not impressed by him so far. I would love for the new staff to have the talent and cohesion to make Jones successful. If so, I hope he has learned how to assemble an SEC caliber staff.

It doesn't help UT to go through another coaching change... it just hurts them even more to keep an underperforming coach.
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You were saying this same crap before he coached a game. Just added 14 more paragraphs regurgitating the same thing. :boredom:
 
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sjt18 said:
There are no "automatics". There's always a chance of some strange and unpredictable factors coming into play. But it really isn't just perception either. It is history. Coaches with success have an obvious advantage. New HC's like Jones once was have an excitement advantage. Coaches that have pretty much established themselves as 2nd tier... fight over what's left... which isn't good enough to win championships. Jones has not proven to be a coach who can take that kind of talent and "coach it up" to championship contention. Just the opposite.

Another way of saying it is that a 5 year coach with a 500 or worse SEC record gives opposing recruiters WAY more than enough ammo to successfully negative recruit.
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don't disagree. but there's still a sell there too. he's in a precarious spot, imo. it's not all bad, but it's not all good either.

the more and more i think about it, i still equate this year a lot like i do 2014/2015. it's re build of a re build. there's playing time on the table again, and a track record. it will depend on the eye of the beholder, and how much stock one puts in to the "turnaround" effort with the staff etc...

nothing's assured. still if's and but's and candy and nuts. but if i'm looking for ways this could turn out well, this is where i look. i know where to look to find out how it could turn out bad.
 
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If Butch gets 10 wins and wins the east this year does he get a 2 year extention? If he beats BAMA, FL or GA AND loses the east does he get an extension? If he beats LSU AND BAMA but looses to FL AND GA but wins the east is he gone.

These are the questions that come from the off season!!!!!
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Alot of you guys are talking like this is the 90's again and Bama is swapped where Florida was and we should be competing with them. The SEC is totally different now and we are not a historical juggernaut nor do we have the tradition of Bama, Ohio St, Michigan, Notre Dame etc.
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UT has won 6 national titles and is second only behind Alabama in terms of SEC championships. UT is also a top 10 program in terms of total wins and losses and is way up there in bowl wins and appearances. We are also one of a very elite group of teams that has never lost 8 games in a season. What universe are you living in?
 
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I am not going to worry about any coaching hot seats or changes, any worst case scenarios, or even recruiting beyond what we just finished. Zero hand-wringing here.

I choose to follow UT football because I enjoy it and its fun and I am proud to be a Tennesseean.

Every new season is a fresh one, and there will be awesome plays that I will enjoy. The unexpectedness of what 18 and 19-yr olds might do, and how an odd shaped football will bounce only adds to the wide-eyed thrill of it.

So looking forward to this fall. Just like I do every year.
 
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sjt18 said:
That is not a "true" statement. It is a conditional statement. Fire Jones if he underperforms and hire some mid-major nobody... Yeah, class probably won't be very good. Fire Jones and get a solid replacement... and the instate guys with UT loyalty will be on board. Those that aren't "Orange" inside... aren't guarantees no matter what happens. (Witness the top TN recruits that said no to Jones this year)

I think 8 is the boundary... If that's where he lands, I think it will matter who he lost to for the 4th loss. If it is someone like Vandy then I think he's in big trouble. I'm not sure how long it has been since UT had a 5 year coach with a losing record vs Vandy.... if ever.


No doubt. I get accused of "hating" Jones. I don't. I'm just not impressed by him so far. I would love for the new staff to have the talent and cohesion to make Jones successful. If so, I hope he has learned how to assemble an SEC caliber staff.

It doesn't help UT to go through another coaching change... it just hurts them even more to keep an underperforming coach.
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I tend to agree with your posts, and I think we agree here mostly. The damned if you do or don't comment is the direct result that I have no faith in the Athletic Department to actually go after a superior replacement to Jones. I feel we would just replace him with someone similar. And if that is the case, we might as well hold on to Jones. He runs a clean program and seems like a stand up guy.

I still hope he proves all of us wrong and we have a solid season. But if we are just going to run with another mid-major hire post Jones, then there is no point.

The larger point is that the Athletic Department and University needs to decide who we are. Are we going to stay true to being a historic top-ten, championship caliber program? Or are we going to take a different approach?
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
I am not going to worry about any coaching hot seats or changes, any worst case scenarios, or even recruiting beyond what we just finished. Zero hand-wringing here.

I choose to follow UT football because I enjoy it and its fun and I am proud to be a Tennesseean.
Every new season is a fresh one, and there will be awesome plays that I will enjoy. The unexpectedness of what 18 and 19-yr olds might do, and how an odd shaped football will bounce only adds to the wide-eyed thrill of it.

So looking forward to this fall. Just like I do every year.
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Well said and agree 100%.
 
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For me, the equation is, anything less than an SEC East championship in 2017 is grounds for dismissal. It's way past time.
 
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