Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIII

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SSVol said:
If Hurd doesn't quit on the team, we go 10-2 last year, even with injuries. With or without Hurd, if we have an actual DT playing late in the season, we go at least 9-3. Both of those issues are Butch's responsibility, but are they really evidence of his limitations? I'm not convinced.

Most of the negative viewpoints are built on the premise that CBJ is stubborn, unchanging, and cannot be taught. While oft repeated, that hasn't been proven to my satisfaction. He's clearly made mistakes, and he is clearly doing different things after doing so. I also think it is telling that he has been able to hire good coaches in spite of lots of bad press. I have no predictions, but this year is certainly going to be interesting.
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I really enjoyed watching Hurd at times during his career. We haven't had a back that could move the pile like him since probably Travis Henry. That said, if Jones had cut him loose during the off season and given Kamara and Kelly the majority of snaps from the outset, we could've gone 10-2 as well.

Had the S & C situation been handled differently, I'm convinced we wouldn't have suffered the rediculous amount of injuries we did and who knows what could have been accomplished.

I agree it looks like he's trying to make adjustments. I really like the willingness to learn from mistakes and try to change accordingly, and I'm pulling for him.
 
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MrVolton said:
I really enjoyed watching Hurd at times during his career. We haven't had a back that could move the pile like him since probably Travis Henry. That said, if Jones had cut him loose during the off season and given Kamara and Kelly the majority of snaps from the outset, we could've gone 10-2 as well.

Had the S & C situation been handled differently, I'm convinced we wouldn't have suffered the rediculous amount of injuries we did and who knows what could have been accomplished.

I agree it looks like he's trying to make adjustments. I really like the willingness to learn from mistakes and try to change accordingly, and I'm pulling for him.
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I agree on Hurd. My comment wasn't related to his talent as much as the affect he had on the team, both in moral when quitting and the sense of entitlement before hand. Butch never had the benefit of guys like Hurd previously, and also never had the challenge of managing them. My hope is that the lesson has been learned. Dooley had similar issues with his thoroughbreds, and handled it poorly as well.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
My favorite team is the vols but I also pull for the Tide, never been a gator fan. I do enjoy Kentucky basketball as well.
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Came on today to see if there was any good info going around. Saw this post...

I'll check back tomorrow, when stupid is running rampant.

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Not sure why I go there but any thread other than Fingers practice threads in the FF gives me a headache. What a cluster.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
My favorite team is the vols but I also pull for the Tide, never been a gator fan. I do enjoy Kentucky basketball as well.
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I am a Tennessee Volunteer fan. There are other teams that I don't hate, but every other team can suck it unless their winning somehow helps my Vols. Then once their usefulness is past they can sucks it again.
 
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@VolRumorMill
USC having this dream run with a coach that John Currie forced out THE MONTH AFTER Tennessee hires Currie is THE MOST Tennessee thing ever.

Lol
 
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jave36 said:
Man, those people slamming Frank Martin a couple weeks ago are looking silly lol
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Doesn't add up. He was a good coach at K State. Terrible first 2 years at SC. Loses to Alabama by 11 in first round this year in SECt. Finally makes tournament, and is in Final 4.
 
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SEC was just "not good" this year according to media. Glad to see SC in the final four. Great game.

VOLS will have played everyone in final four.
 
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jave36 said:
@VolRumorMill
USC having this dream run with a coach that John Currie forced out THE MONTH AFTER Tennessee hires Currie is THE MOST Tennessee thing ever.

Lol
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This has been discussed in the basketball forum. Martin was probably going to lose half his team at KSU because of the way he treated his players. Currie didn't really force him out. Martin started looking around because players were about to defect. When he got an offer from USCe, Currie met with the players privately and was told of the issues. Currie decided it wasn't worth matching any offer, and there was a great chance that Martin wasn't going to stay anyway. USCe gambler on a guy who had some baggage because they have very little basketball history. Martin seems to have learned, and the gamble paid off. It has absolutely no effect on the University of Tennessee, so I am not really sure why it's a big deal.
 
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vol2002 said:
I agree. This has been par for the course in his tenure though. Tantalizing start followed by mediocrity or worse in league play. Too bad. He has a great background but he's had enough time to turn this thing around. No excuses when you recruit top 20 classes and others in the conference with less than we have play consistent competent, competitive baseball.
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Unfortunately, you're right. The conference we are in is brutal to compete in, but he has been here long enough to right the ship.
 
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jave36 said:
Man, those people slamming Frank Martin a couple weeks ago are looking silly lol
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He was a hothead. Got drummed out of high school for illegal recruiting. Showed his talent when he got a chance at Kansas State. Tried his Bobby Knight act in Manhattan and got smacked down. First three years in Columbia were even more humbling. He'll probably thank Currie after the fact for bringing him back to Earth. :)
 
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JCP201 said:
sorry double post.. VN is SLOW for me today.
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It has been horribly slow for me, too. I was wondering if anyone else was having the same problem, or if it was just something on my end alone. Maybe freak is doing some kind of massive upgrade on the server or something.
 
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I am throwing up in my mouth a little as I type this post, but I have to pull for Kentucky today. North Carolina has been the most corrupt basketball program in recent memory and gets even more calls than Kentucky does. When you combine that with their entitled-feeling fanbase, it is really quite an easy decision. Let's go Wildcats!!
 
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drvenner said:
I am throwing up in my mouth a little as I type this post, but I have to pull for Kentucky today. North Carolina has been the most corrupt basketball program in recent memory and gets even more calls than Kentucky does. When you combine that with their entitled-feeling fanbase, it is really quite an easy decision. Let's go Wildcats!!
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Surprised you don't always pull for them being a Cubs "fan"
 
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MetalVolunteer said:
Caleb59seal said:
I know you know nothing about actual football... And I know that you know that I know that I do. I have accepted this is why you won't respond to me. That's fine. However, Sammy Watkins lack of production has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with injuries... OBJ got confident that is the difference between him and a lot of other guys... He has great hands, runs great routes, and is confident... Antonio callaway can be very good, however he has made some pretty poor decision. I don't just say stupid sh&@ on here to get attention, so I can not say for sure where all of them will end up because I haven't watched tape... (And no you haven't either)

It's been fun... Signed a person that knows his sh$&
to: a person that doesn't... (Thanks for your time)[/QUOTE

Maybe the reason people don't respond to your messages is that your kinda a Di*k. Maybe just food for thought. How do you know who is who on here? How would you know what his football IQ is?

How do we know that your not some pimple faced kid using his dads VN account to just spout off some garb you found on the interwebs? You think you're the only one on here that knows their Sh*t when talking football. You would be suprised how many of us are former Players at "ALL" levels.

Maybe next time don't be such a douche bag and have some sense of comradery for all things VOLS, instead of calling a guys football knowledge into question. We are all family here. If you don't want to be part of that then exit 👈🏻.
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I like both yourself and Caleb (Doug Matthews). Can we keep hating on D4H? That's more fun.
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VolGee4 said:
This has been discussed in the basketball forum. Martin was probably going to lose half his team at KSU because of the way he treated his players. Currie didn't really force him out. Martin started looking around because players were about to defect. When he got an offer from USCe, Currie met with the players privately and was told of the issues. Currie decided it wasn't worth matching any offer, and there was a great chance that Martin wasn't going to stay anyway. USCe gambler on a guy who had some baggage because they have very little basketball history. Martin seems to have learned, and the gamble paid off. It has absolutely no effect on the University of Tennessee, so I am not really sure why it's a big deal.
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Finally some sense
 
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