ESPN's Todd McShay: "I think Dobbs got a chance to be a solid starter in the NFL."

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Nasavol said:
Tim Tebow was a 66.4% passer in college, just saying...
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I still cannot figure out how Tim Tebow failed in the NFL. Dude was a freaking beast in college. Probably the best QB in the last 20 years at least. However, he was sort of the start of the mobile qb era in SEC on a large scale. That could be a reason he was so dominant.
 
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Grudenator said:
I still cannot figure out how Tim Tebow failed in the NFL. Dude was a freaking beast in college. Probably the best QB in the last 20 years at least. However, he was sort of the start of the mobile qb era in SEC on a large scale. That could be a reason he was so dominant.
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He couldn't throw down field accurately. It's not that hard to figure out.
 
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Grudenator said:
I still cannot figure out how Tim Tebow failed in the NFL. Dude was a freaking beast in college. Probably the best QB in the last 20 years at least. However, he was sort of the start of the mobile qb era in SEC on a large scale. That could be a reason he was so dominant.
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Playing qb in the NFL requires a specific, elite skill set not necessarily required playing college football. He simply didn't have that skill set.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's cause he's a good humble kid.

The truth is the Tennessee program was a joke before he got here. We were losing to Vanderbilt and Kentucky and couldn't even make a bowl. Once he became the starter we became nationally relevant again and finished both seasons he started top 25 in the final AP poll.

In fact he raised the profile of the program to such an extent that not finishing the year as a top 10 team in 2016 was seen as a colossal failure. All this from a program that was struggling to get past Vandebilt and Kentucky just three years earlier.
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Dobbs 2-2 vs Vandy.
Vols 28-2 in the 30 years before Dobbs.

Facts>hyperbole
 
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ochocinco said:
Dobbs 2-2 vs Vandy.
Vols 28-2 in the 30 years before Dobbs.

Facts>hyperbole
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Actually Josh Dobbs was 30/34 against Vandy last year for 340 yards and 3 TDs. He scored 34 points.

It was the defense that lost the game.

Dobbs did his job that night.
 
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#88
First it's all about winning and stats don't matter.
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Andrew Luck is the most overrated QB in NFL history. And it is almost entirely because he was proclaimed the best pro QB ever before he took a snap in the NFL. Thus everyone has been making excuses for him ever since.

You can rattle off all the stats you want. I don't care. The NFL is a passing league now so everyone puts up monster stats. The differentiator between QBs is WINNING. And Andrew Luck is not a winner. He turned the Colts franchise from one of the most consistent franchises in pro sports into a franchise that can't win the worst division in pro football. Please explain to me how the Houston Texans can continue to win the AFC South with no QB?

Peyton Manning turned the Colts from a joke of a franchise into a model of consistent winning. Andrew Luck has done the reverse. He's turned the Colts into a losing franchise.

Keep making excuses for him because of his draft hype.
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Then it's all about stats and football is a team game.
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Actually Josh Dobbs was 30/34 against Vandy last year for 340 yards and 3 TDs. He scored 34 points.

It was the defense that lost the game.

Dobbs did his job that night.
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Keep up the sold work.
 
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GAVol said:
First it's all about winning and stats don't matter.

Then it's all about stats and football is a team game. Keep up the sold work.
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In general is about winning. If Dobbs was a .500 QB I wouldn't have much to say even if he was putting up good numbers.

However in game to game situations where one side of the ball is much worse than the other, we can differentiate who did their job and who didn't.

Dobbs turned Tennessee around from a failing program to a preseason top 10 and postseason top 25 program. Luck took the Colts from being perennial playoff contenders to a team that misses the playoffs every year. Totally different situations.
 
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Except Luck has won a lot more than he's lost and he's been successful when healthy.... and you know that.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Actually Josh Dobbs was 30/34 against Vandy last year for 340 yards and 3 TDs. He scored 34 points.

It was the defense that lost the game.

Dobbs did his job that night.
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ACTUALLY...it was 2 tds.

And 2 fumbles.

And 2 sacks.

And 5 for 11 on 3rd down.

And 0 for 1 on 4th down.

I like Dobbs but he was no program savior. He did his job.
 
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GAVol said:
Except Luck has won a lot more than he's lost and he's been successful when healthy.... and you know that.
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Andrew Luck is a good NFL QB. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say he's a scrub. He's obviously better than most of the other QBs in the NFL. My argument is simply that he isn't GREAT. He's not top 5. He might not even be top 10. And given the hype he came into the NFL with, his play so far has been EXTREMELY UNDERWHELMING.

Remember he was supposed to be the best thing to enter the league since John Elway. And he's been anything but that.

Andrew Luck = good QB not great

And he's a bust if you measure what he's done so far in the NFL compared to the hype he came in with.
 
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ochocinco said:
I like Dobbs but he was no program savior. He did his job.
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No Dobbs means no bowl game the last 3 years. It means no pre-season top 10 ranking in 2016. It means Butch Jones is probably already fired. And it means we would still be the laughing stock of the SEC.

Given where this program was in 2012 before he signed to where it is now, he has been a program savior. He may not have returned Tennessee back to its rightful place among the elite of college football but he did return Tennessee back to respectability.

In 2012, we were not respected as a program. In 2017, we are at least respected as a top 25 program once again.
 
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ochocinco said:
ACTUALLY...it was 2 tds.

And 2 fumbles.

And 2 sacks.

And 5 for 11 on 3rd down.

And 0 for 1 on 4th down.

I like Dobbs but he was no program savior. He did his job.
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Add offense only scored 3 second half points.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
In general is about winning. If Dobbs was a .500 QB I wouldn't have much to say even if he was putting up good numbers.

However in game to game situations where one side of the ball is much worse than the other, we can differentiate who did their job and who didn't.
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You mean like the Colts?

Dobbs turned Tennessee around from a failing program to a preseason top 10 and postseason top 25 program. Luck took the Colts from 2-14 to 43-27. Totally different situations.
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FYP
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Andrew Luck is a good NFL QB. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say he's a scrub. He's obviously better than most of the other QBs in the NFL. My argument is simply that he isn't GREAT. He's not top 5. He might not even be top 10. And given the hype he came into the NFL with, his play so far has been EXTREMELY UNDERWHELMING.

Remember he was supposed to be the best thing to enter the league since John Elway. And he's been anything but that.

Andrew Luck = good QB not great

And he's a bust if you measure what he's done so far in the NFL compared to the hype he came in with.
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Wow. Have you seen the OL that Andrew Luck has had to play behind? He's a bust??? LMFAO

With all due respect, you really have no idea as to what you're talking about
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Remember he was supposed to be the best thing to enter the league since John Elway. And he's been anything but that.

Andrew Luck = good QB not great.
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So you want to make a comparison? Ok. Through their first 5 seasons.

Yards
Elway 14835 (210.38pg)
Luck 19078 (272.5pg)

Comp %
Elway 53.6
Luck 59.2

TD
Elway 85 (3.88%)
Luck 132 (5.0%)

Int
Elway 77 (3.72)
Luck 68 (2.6)

Rating
Elway 72.86
Luck 87.3

Team's avg rushing ranking
Elway 16
Luck 23

Team's avg defensive yardage ranking
Elway 15
Luck 23

So let's recap; through their first 5 season Luck trounces Elway in yardage, comp%, TD's and rating all while throwing fewer int's and having a worse rushing game and defense to help out.

You really aren't good at this...are you?
 
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hndog609 said:
So you want to make a comparison? Ok. Through their first 5 seasons.

Yards
Elway 14835 (210.38pg)
Luck 19078 (272.5pg)

Comp %
Elway 53.6
Luck 59.2

TD
Elway 85 (3.88%)
Luck 132 (5.0%)

Int
Elway 77 (3.72)
Luck 68 (2.6)

Rating
Elway 72.86
Luck 87.3

Team's avg rushing ranking
Elway 16
Luck 23

Team's avg defensive yardage ranking
Elway 15
Luck 23

So let's recap; through their first 5 season Luck trounces Elway in yardage, comp%, TD's and rating all while throwing fewer int's and having a worse rushing game and defense to help out.

You really aren't good at this...are you?
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You must be 12 years old.

All the passing numbers are inflated now. I'm sure you could post stats for Matt Stafford and they would look better than Elway as well.

How about you compare the team records? How about you post the Colts and Broncos team records the 5 years BEFORE Elway and Luck arrived and the 5 years AFTER?

That way we'll know which player turned around a franchise and which one made the franchise regress.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You must be 12 years old.

All the passing numbers are inflated now. I'm sure you could post stats for Matt Stafford and they would look better than Elway as well.

How about you compare the team records? How about you post the Colts and Broncos team records the 5 years BEFORE Elway and Luck arrived and the 5 years AFTER?

That way we'll know which player turned around a franchise and which one made the franchise regress.
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And here's where you are soooooo predictable.

1. If all we were discussing was pure passing yardage there could be some merit given to your observation. Comp%, TD%, INT% and rating not nearly as much. Of course you know this but ignore it as it does nothing to further your argument.

2. And this was actually the point; to trap you once again in your little circle of "it's team wins" NO WAIT "it's individual stats" whenever one or the other suits your immediate self-serving observation. Funny how you shot right past that Elway clearly had an advantage in his rushing game and defensive side of the equation. (Actually it wasn't funny at all...it was 100% expected)

Individual accomplishments are just that...nothing more. Team accomplishments are just that...nothing more. The best player to ever play can be put on a bad team and what you'll have is a great player on an improved but still bad team. You will always...ALWAYS look the fool when you try to extrapolate individual prowess in team success or failure.
 
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