ESPN's Todd McShay: "I think Dobbs got a chance to be a solid starter in the NFL."

[butchna]

This. Is. Awesome.

Changing opinions to whatever fits or gets the most likes every 24 hours or less. One day you're done with this team, the next you're all about it. One day you don't think a player will make it, the next they're Hall of Fame material. One day people are gullible for listening to an analyst, the next you trust that same analyst.

I take back what I said about you either being insane or a troll.

You're either a troll or a well played scheme by Freak to generate clicks.

He was a boring milquetoast poster when he played it straight. Doing this schtick has worked for him.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The thing with Dobbs is can he learn accuracy with his passes? That's the most important skill an NFL QB can have. And it just happens to be the chink in his armor. Guys don't often learn that skill

His accuracy is perfectly fine. At the senior bowl and combine he was one of the most accurate passers. At Tennessee he finished his career with a 61.5% completion percentage.

This idea that Dobbs is too inaccurate to be an NFL QB is a myth.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Why have Andrew Luck and Cam Newton when you could have Dobbs?

Andrew Luck is a bust. The Colts were perennial winners under Peyton. They are now perennial losers.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So first it's Dobbs sandbagging to try to avoid being a WR/DB and now it's people's whose job it is to try to be right sandbagging to be "as wrong" as everybody else. I would pay money to see the results of you and a rorschach test.

Ask yourself this; a genie gives an analyst a wish to see the biggest surprise draftee. (ex Prescott from last year) In your world our analyst would keep it on the DL since, you know, he wouldn't want to seem different that the "herd". If you believe that you are an iron-clad idiot.

Literally the absolute BEST thing these guys could possibly do for themselves and their credibility is accurately predict player performance specifically different than others. For the love of God man you're arguing people in a competitive business would prefer to blend than stand out as being better than the rest...calling that nonsensical would be a galactic understatement.

No. I don't think you understood my point. No one has the power of foresight. Obviously if Todd McShay could see the future he would make a bold prediction like saying before last year's draft that Dak Prescott would be the best QB. But since that isn't possible, he has to guard against being wrong. So what is better? Be wrong like everyone else or be the only guy who said Dak Prescott would be the best QB and then end up being the only guy who was wrong.

These guys are all about self-preservation. You don't get ridiculed in that industry if you miss on a player that everyone else misses on.

 

[KBVol]

Andrew Luck is a bust. The Colts were perennial winners under Peyton. They are now perennial losers.

Luck is nowhere near a bust. To the contrary, he's one of the better qbs in the league despite battling injuries the last 2 seasons. 43-27 as a starter, 2-1 TD to int ratio. Pro bowler and first team all-pro player. Once again, your judgment is 180 degrees out of phase.

 

[volnbama_]

His accuracy is perfectly fine. At the senior bowl and combine he was one of the most accurate passers. At Tennessee he finished his career with a 61.5% completion percentage.

This idea that Dobbs is too inaccurate to be an NFL QB is a myth.

Most of those passes were less than 5 yards downfield

 

[Coachmike17]

It wasn't just the coaching that was terrible. The offensive line was terrible. Receivers and Tight Ends couldn't get open or when they did catch the ball.

Josh Dobbs carried this program on his back for the last 3 years.

I kind of think Dobbs would disagree with you on that. Josh did carry this team in some games and in phases of some games. But if we're going to give him those accolades we also have to say he contributed highly to a few loses also. Hope to see him starting in the NFL in a few years. Looks to be a solid 5th-6th rounder.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Luck is nowhere near a bust. To the contrary, he's one of the better qbs in the league despite battling injuries the last 2 seasons. 43-27 as a starter, 2-1 TD to int ratio. Pro bowler and first team all-pro player. Once again, your judgment is 180 degrees out of phase.

Andrew Luck is the most overrated QB in NFL history. And it is almost entirely because he was proclaimed the best pro QB ever before he took a snap in the NFL. Thus everyone has been making excuses for him ever since.

You can rattle off all the stats you want. I don't care. The NFL is a passing league now so everyone puts up monster stats. The differentiator between QBs is WINNING. And Andrew Luck is not a winner. He turned the Colts franchise from one of the most consistent franchises in pro sports into a franchise that can't win the worst division in pro football. Please explain to me how the Houston Texans can continue to win the AFC South with no QB?

Peyton Manning turned the Colts from a joke of a franchise into a model of consistent winning. Andrew Luck has done the reverse. He's turned the Colts into a losing franchise.

Keep making excuses for him because of his draft hype.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Most of those passes were less than 5 yards downfield

Well at the senior bowl and combine he was passing the ball down the field and he was praised for his accuracy.

Then you have the fact he was one of the best downfield passers in the country this year according to Pro Football Focus.

Once again the idea Dobbs is inaccurate is a myth. It has no tangible evidence behind it. Just hyperbolic personal opinion.

 

[Coachmike17]

The absolute best quote...

"....when he got some pro-coaching and worked on his mechanics with his feet and timing...."

Wow. It seems that (in some quarters) college football is more about recruiting (and clique' generation) than player development. Why can't UT pay some QB coach to work with guys over the summer if no one else on staff knows what/how to do? Disappointing.

Dobbs spent the last 2 summers in San Diego with a QB guru that was to help with all of this. He did make progress but not substantial. McShay hates CBJ and will find any way to disrespect him and our team that he can.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I kind of think Dobbs would disagree with you on that. Josh did carry this team in some games and in phases of some games. But if we're going to give him those accolades we also have to say he contributed highly to a few loses also. Hope to see him starting in the NFL in a few years. Looks to be a solid 5th-6th rounder.

That's cause he's a good humble kid.

The truth is the Tennessee program was a joke before he got here. We were losing to Vanderbilt and Kentucky and couldn't even make a bowl. Once he became the starter we became nationally relevant again and finished both seasons he started top 25 in the final AP poll.

In fact he raised the profile of the program to such an extent that not finishing the year as a top 10 team in 2016 was seen as a colossal failure. All this from a program that was struggling to get past Vandebilt and Kentucky just three years earlier.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dobbs spent the last 2 summers in San Diego with a QB guru that was to help with all of this. He did make progress but not substantial. McShay hates CBJ and will find any way to disrespect him and our team that he can.

I doubt he even knows him. He's just got an unbiased opinion of Butch Jones unlike you.

Butch Jones has not done a good job of developing players like Dobbs and Kamara.

 

[hndog609]

No. I don't think you understood my point. No one has the power of foresight. Obviously if Todd McShay could see the future he would make a bold prediction like saying before last year's draft that Dak Prescott would be the best QB. But since that isn't possible, he has to guard against being wrong. So what is better? Be wrong like everyone else or be the only guy who said Dak Prescott would be the best QB and then end up being the only guy who was wrong.

These guys are all about self-preservation. You don't get ridiculed in that industry if you miss on a player that everyone else misses on.

You get lauded if you can project people above/below what others miss. Again, why the hell would anyone want to be one of the "herd" if you have an opportunity to show up the rest of the guys.

Look, everybody is wrong all the time in that business, right? So literally the only way to show out is do a better job of spotting the gems/failures. If you REALLY think someone is good enough, say so. If you think they aren't, say so. If you're wrong you deserve to get ridiculed. If you're right you win. If you win a lot you're the guy with the credibility and not part of the "herd".

This is easy. The only reason Dobbs isn't ranked higher is that people's confidence isn't as high for him to succeed. That doesn't mean he WON'T but if you have doubts that's reflected in how you grade your choices. (same as stocks, horses, whatever)

 

[KBVol]

Andrew Luck is the most overrated QB in NFL history. And it is almost entirely because he was proclaimed the best pro QB ever before he took a snap in the NFL. Thus everyone has been making excuses for him ever since.

You can rattle off all the stats you want. I don't care. The NFL is a passing league now so everyone puts up monster stats. The differentiator between QBs is WINNING. And Andrew Luck is not a winner. He turned the Colts franchise from one of the most consistent franchises in pro sports into a franchise that can't win the worst division in pro football. Please explain to me how the Houston Texans can continue to win the AFC South with no QB?

Peyton Manning turned the Colts from a joke of a franchise into a model of consistent winning. Andrew Luck has done the reverse. He's turned the Colts into a losing franchise.

Keep making excuses for him because of his draft hype.

All about winning eh?

The year before Luck got there, the season Peyton was out due to his neck surgeries, Indy was 2-14....the next year, Luck's rookie season, they were 11-5......and were 11-5 each of the next 2 seasons as well, and won the AFC South both years. So, his first 3 years there, he was 33-15 as the starter, who the franchise was 2-14 the year immediately before he got there....yeah, helluva bust that guy.

Each of the last 2 years he's battled injuries, yet last year he threw for 4,240 yards, 31 tds, only 13 ints, 96.4 passer rating. They only went 8-7 in his 15 starts, but he and his play was hardly the issue.

Additionally, "busts" don't typically play in pro bowls and get named 1st team all-pro. If you wanna say he hasn't lived up to his hype, have at it....but bust? Not even close.

 

[CoachMatt]

Says alot about our staff!!!!

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You get lauded if you can project people above/below what others miss. Again, why the hell would anyone want to be one of the "herd" if you have an opportunity to show up the rest of the guys.

Look, everybody is wrong all the time in that business, right? So literally the only way to show out is do a better job of spotting the gems/failures. If you REALLY think someone is good enough, say so. If you think they aren't, say so. If you're wrong you deserve to get ridiculed. If you're right you win. If you win a lot you're the guy with the credibility and not part of the "herd".

This is easy. The only reason Dobbs isn't ranked higher is that people's confidence isn't as high for him to succeed. That doesn't mean he WON'T but if you have doubts that's reflected in how you grade your choices. (same as stocks, horses, whatever)

Cause you're already in. You're already getting paid. Todd McShay has no inventive to take the RISK of showing everyone else up when there is more to lose than gain. Right now he has a nice little racket going. He gets paid to just relay info. He's not paid to predict NFL success. If he's wrong about a player compared to everyone else it hurts him more since he already has made it.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

All about winning eh?

The year before Luck got there, the season Peyton was out due to his neck surgeries, Indy was 2-14....the next year, Luck's rookie season, they were 11-5......and were 11-5 each of the next 2 seasons as well, and won the AFC South both years. So, his first 3 years there, he was 33-15 as the starter, who the franchise was 2-14 the year immediately before he got there....yeah, helluva bust that guy.

Each of the last 2 years he's battled injuries, yet last year he threw for 4,240 yards, 31 tds, only 13 ints, 96.4 passer rating. They only went 8-7 in his 15 starts, but he and his play was hardly the issue.

Additionally, "busts" don't typically play in pro bowls and get named 1st team all-pro. If you wanna say he hasn't lived up to his hype, have at it....but bust? Not even close.

First of all the 2-14 year was an aberration since they didn't have a QB at all that season cause Peyton got hurt. They never planned for it since he has was so consistent. Before that outlier year they were always winning 11-12 games a year.

Sure Luck had some success his first few years. But so have other QBs who ultimately became busts. RG3 had a better rookie year. Kaepernick led his team to a super bowl in his second season. Vince Young won rookie of the year and then led Tennessee to the playoffs his second season. A number of eventual busts have won a lot of games early in their careers.

The last couple of years are more telling about a QB. Typically the great QBs get better as they get older. Peyton Manning never regressed after his first 3 years and started missing the playoffs or losing half of his starts.

People just need to face the fact that they were wrong about Andrew Luck. He was not generational prospect. He was not even the best QB prospect from his own class. Russell Wilson has exceeded him from his own draft class. Based on the hype he came into the league with, Andrew Luck has been a bust.

 

[hndog609]

Cause you're already in. You're already getting paid. Todd McShay has no inventive to take the RISK of showing everyone else up when there is more to lose than gain. Right now he has a nice little racket going. He gets paid to just relay info. He's not paid to predict NFL success. If he's wrong about a player compared to everyone else it hurts him more since he already has made it.

I understand the argument you're trying to make but find it incredibly easy to reject.

 

[hndog609]

First of all the 2-14 year was an aberration since they didn't have a QB at all that season cause Peyton got hurt. They never planned for it since he has was so consistent. Before that outlier year they were always winning 11-12 games a year.

Sure Luck had some success his first few years. But so have other QBs who ultimately became busts. RG3 had a better rookie year. Kaepernick led his team to a super bowl in his second season. Vince Young won rookie of the year and then led Tennessee to the playoffs his second season. A number of eventual busts have won a lot of games early in their careers.

The last couple of years are more telling about a QB. Typically the great QBs get better as they get older. Peyton Manning never regressed after his first 3 years and started missing the playoffs or losing half of his starts.

People just need to face the fact that they were wrong about Andrew Luck. He was not generational prospect. He was not even the best QB prospect from his own class. Russell Wilson has exceeded him from his own draft class. Based on the hype he came into the league with, Andrew Luck has been a bust.

I think you have little to no comprehension of what "bust" means and even less understanding of "team" vs "individual" success. How many times have you blamed coaching/line play/etc (nevermind defense) regarding Dobbs not leading UT to more wins?

Luck can only do exactly as much as HE can do. As an individual he's played very, VERY well. No individual has ever nor will ever win a football game...ever. (that last statement isn't even about Luck, it's all encompassing)

 

[KBVol]

First of all the 2-14 year was an aberration since they didn't have a QB at all that season cause Peyton got hurt. They never planned for it since he has was so consistent. Before that outlier year they were always winning 11-12 games a year.

Sure Luck had some success his first few years. But so have other QBs who ultimately became busts. RG3 had a better rookie year. Kaepernick led his team to a super bowl in his second season. Vince Young won rookie of the year and then led Tennessee to the playoffs his second season. A number of eventual busts have won a lot of games early in their careers.

The last couple of years are more telling about a QB. Typically the great QBs get better as they get older. Peyton Manning never regressed after his first 3 years and started missing the playoffs or losing half of his starts.

People just need to face the fact that they were wrong about Andrew Luck. He was not generational prospect. He was not even the best QB prospect from his own class. Russell Wilson has exceeded him from his own draft class. Based on the hype he came into the league with, Andrew Luck has been a bust.

Geez man. Look, again, if you wanna say he's not lived up to the hype and isn't a "generational player" then fine, I would tend to agree.

But to call a guy a bust who's 43-27 as a starter, has taken his team to the playoffs 3 of the 4 years he was healthy, has thrown for 130+ tds (despite missing 10 games due to injury) and nearly 20,000 yards in 5 seasons, and has had a season where he was named 1st team all-pro?? Once again, you're out of your mind. I'm not sure what axe to grind you have here, but you're just wrong.

And ftr, the fact that 2011 was a aberration year for the Colts establishes two things.....first, Manning's value to the franchise was immeasurable and his greatness was even further defined....and second, by adding Luck the following year and improving by 9 games, which I believe is still an NFL record, it showed Luck's outstanding value to the franchise as well. Bottom line, the Colts were awful unless they had an outstanding QB, both before and after the 2011 2-14 season

 

[volnbama_]

Well at the senior bowl and combine he was passing the ball down the field and he was praised for his accuracy.

Then you have the fact he was one of the best downfield passers in the country this year according to Pro Football Focus.

Once again the idea Dobbs is inaccurate is a myth. It has no tangible evidence behind it. Just hyperbolic personal opinion.

You miss the South Carolina game? They had to resod the field after all the balls he threw into the turf. He was better this past season no doubt but he struggles to consistently make throws

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You miss the South Carolina game? They had to resod the field after all the balls he threw into the turf. He was better this past season no doubt but he struggles to consistently make throws

One bad game. Everyone has them.

 

[NashVol11]

Andrew Luck is a bust. The Colts were perennial winners under Peyton. They are now perennial losers.

Hahaha. Keep the gems coming.

A team that was 2-14 before he got there, and just fired the GM who built the team around him, is 43-27 with him as the starter.

 

[feathersax]

Just gave a LIKE to D4H! LIFE I weird, folks! :good!:

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Dobbs didn't even have a QB coach at UT. Funny how he gets a little coaching from the NFL and he's getting praised. Jones is a moron for not having anybody working with the most important position on the offensive side of the ball.

I really wish you idiots would pay attention and stop this ignorant garbage.

buTch has always had a QB coach on staff.

He was a Graduate Assistant QB coach and a pretty good one at that.

In fact it was our GA/QB coach that both JG and his dad really liked so much that he signed with Tennessee to come play QB for us.

Now DeBord has hired him away from us as a full-time coach so I hope JG doesn't decide to leave Tennessee and follow them up to Indiana to play QB for them.

FYI...DeBord also helped coach our QB's and Dobbs said soon after DeBord was hired that he had already learned quite a bit from DeBord.

Some people here on VN amaze me at how much they talk but how little they really know, LOL!

VFL...GBO!!!