Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

[Ron Swanson]

On what planet is 4.88 not a good time for a DE?

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[AV_12]

On what planet is 4.88 not a good time for a DE?

And sick at that.

 

[BaldBiker]

Is it a good time for an elite pass rushing DE? I honestly don't know.

I don't know?

How many SEC QB's did Garrett get to with his ELITE 40 speed as compared to how many Barnett got to with his, what did you call it, not good speed?

If either one of them are chasing people down the field on a regular basis, then I might have to pick Garrett, but since that is not really what the position calls for, I'll go with the guy that is a proven commodity over the one that everyone is drooling over because he looks the part.

 

[LaagerVol]

2nd year at the program and he put that many in the combine....

And don't act like you wouldn't trade coaches.....

I absolutely would trade coaches but the two programs were in totally different places when the two coaches took over. Look at all the talent harbaugh INHERITED.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Garrett really is an athletic freak. 41" vertical and 10'8" broad jump.

Wonder why it doesn't lead to production? He just isnt a great football player. Gym warrior tho

 

[LaagerVol]

Wonder why it doesn't lead to production? He just isnt a great football player. Gym warrior tho

Imo heart and desire.

 

[Glitch]

By your own link, Barnett would have been the 3rd slowest guy at that years combine for guys under 260. Weight matters when comparing times.

Listen, it's an extremely small piece of the overall puzzle. Barnett will be fine and likely drafted middle of the 1st round. (Tampa or Miami would be good fits for him) I was hoping he would run a little better.

His broad and vertical will also be parts of that puzzle today.

Then why bring it up and state that it was horrible and act like DB was doomed to go undrafted. He will run a better time when he hasn't been sick and has had more time to work on his technique. You were the one acting like DB took a steaming dookie on the 40 yard dash course.

 

[jave36]

If he is sick, he shouldn't have run.

For a guy who's athleticism is a concern to teams, coming in lighter and running slower than expected is not good anyway you spin it.

He can get brownie points for toughing it out now, then silence doubts about measurements at pro day.

It doesn't take any spin to make it a good thing.

 

[Kristy*]

I don't know?

How many SEC QB's did Garrett get to with his ELITE 40 speed as compared to how many Barnett got to with his, what did you call it, not good speed?

If either one of them are chasing people down the field on a regular basis, then I might have to pick Garrett, but since that is not really what the position calls for, I'll go with the guy that is a proven commodity over the one that everyone is drooling over because he looks the part.

IDK. Barnett has chased guys 30 yards down the field for a tackle. Even a RB. I've not seen Garrett do that, granted I didn't watch all of Garrett's games. I have seen Garrett quit playing before the play was over. I've not seen that from Barnett.

 

[volfanCLT]

Wonder why it doesn't lead to production? He just isnt a great football player. Gym warrior tho

He has 2 less sacks in 1 less year than Von Miller in college. Von Miller is doing ok.

I get why as Vol fans we do it, but to say he isn't productive just isn't true.

Is he not as productive as you would expect from someone with his measureable? I'm not sure I would disagree there.

 

[theutvolunteers]

I don't know?

How many SEC QB's did Garrett get to with his ELITE 40 speed as compared to how many Barnett got to with his, what did you call it, not good speed?

If either one of them are chasing people down the field on a regular basis, then I might have to pick Garrett, but since that is not really what the position calls for, I'll go with the guy that is a proven commodity over the one that everyone is drooling over because he looks the part.

I don't doubt Barnetts ability. The SEC numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Glitch]

IDK. Barnett has chased guys 30 yards down the field for a tackle. Even a RB. I've not seen Garrett do that, granted I didn't watch all of Garrett's games. I have seen Garrett quit playing before the play was over. I've not seen that from Barnett.

Exactly. It's like that scene from Heartbreak Ridge when all the young Marines try to smoke Gunny Highway to the tank but then Gunny Highway just motors on past them and keeps going. DB will not quit on a play until the whistle blows. MG.... quits on the reg as can be witnessed by his stats vs. SEC competition.

 

[Rishvol]

IDK. Barnett has chased guys 30 yards down the field for a tackle. Even a RB. I've not seen Garrett do that, granted I didn't watch all of Garrett's games. I have seen Garrett quit playing before the play was over. I've not seen that from Barnett.

The same guys that are drooling over Garrett are saying this exact thing about Barnett specifically how he ran 25 yards down field and broke up a pass

 

[Glitch]

He has 2 less sacks in 1 less year than Von Miller in college. Von Miller is doing ok.

I get why as Vol fans we do it, but to say he isn't productive just isn't true.

Is he not as productive as you would expect from someone with his measureable? I'm not sure I would disagree there.

MG is productive against weaker competition. DB has gotten most of his stats vs the SEC.

 

[jave36]

Didn't JJ watt run a 4.8+? I've been saying Barnett will be a poor man's JJ Watt. Solidly built instead of long and lean like Garrett, constant motor. Smaller all around than Watt and obviously not as productive, but he'll be that type of player.

 

[LaagerVol]

He has 2 less sacks in 1 less year than Von Miller in college. Von Miller is doing ok.

I get why as Vol fans we do it, but to say he isn't productive just isn't true.

Is he not as productive as you would expect from someone with his measureable? I'm not sure I would disagree there.

I think it has more to do with his lack of production against schools that aren't UTSA.

 

[volfanCLT]

Then why bring it up and state that it was horrible and act like DB was doomed to go undrafted. He will run a better time when he hasn't been sick and has had more time to work on his technique. You were the one acting like DB took a steaming dookie on the 40 yard dash course.

Because it was what many of us were watching live on tv.

As for the rest of your post, get a grip. No one said he would go undrafted.

If saying "Yikes, not a great time" = "taking a steaming dookie" on Barnett's 40 time than we might not be a good match for trying to have normal conversations about athletics.

 

[jave36]

Exactly. It's like that scene from Heartbreak Ridge when all the young Marines try to smoke Gunny Highway to the tank but then Gunny Highway just motors on past them and keeps going. DB will not quit on a play until the whistle blows. MG.... quits on the reg as can be witnessed by his stats vs. SEC competition.

MG is undoubtedly a better athlete and has higher potential than DB. But athleticism isn't 100% of what makes a great football player, and DB clearly beats out MG when it comes to effort and motor and being smart enough to defense the run AND rush the passer. I think they'll both be great pros, DB just has to work harder, so he will.

 

[Kristy*]

The same guys that are drooling over Garrett are saying this exact thing about Barnett specifically how he ran 25 yards down field and broke up a pass

Yeah, a DE that not only can chase fast guys down the field for tackles but can also pass coverage against fast guys.

 

[Glitch]

Because it was what many of us were watching live on tv.

As for the rest of your post, get a grip. No one said he would go undrafted.

If saying "Yikes, not a great time" = "taking a steaming dookie" on Barnett's 40 time than we might not be a good match for trying to have normal conversations about athletics.

You completely dismissed the fact that he had been sick the day before and just took his 40 time as if it wasn't affected. Also, 4.88 is not a bad 40 time for a DE. It is perfectly acceptable. It is a good time. Nobody expected DB to run a 4.5 or 4.6. You just went super negative and now are back pedaling trying to save face.

 

[volfanCLT]

Didn't JJ watt run a 4.8+? I've been saying Barnett will be a poor man's JJ Watt. Solidly built instead of long and lean like Garrett, constant motor. Smaller all around than Watt and obviously not as productive, but he'll be that type of player.

Watt ran a 4.84 at 290.

I do agree on the motor aspect. Not sure anyone in this class has the motor Barnett (and Watt) have.

 

[Glitch]

MG is undoubtedly a better athlete and has higher potential than DB. But athleticism isn't 100% of what makes a great football player, and DB clearly beats out MG when it comes to effort and motor and being smart enough to defense the run AND rush the passer. I think they'll both be great pros, DB just has to work harder, so he will.

I am partial to DB because I have watched him work the past three years. Even so, I would take DB 10 times out of 10 just based on the effort that he shows on every single play. The bowl game was a prime example. DB wanted that sack and my gosh he affected the game time and time again in pursuit of that. That is what DB brings that MG won't. DB will never ever quit. Measurables be damned.

 

[YorkVol]

IDK. Barnett has chased guys 30 yards down the field for a tackle. Even a RB. I've not seen Garrett do that, granted I didn't watch all of Garrett's games. I have seen Garrett quit playing before the play was over. I've not seen that from Barnett.

Truth, and scouts have noted it.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Mike Mayock said at the beginning of the broadcast this morning that no matter what Barnett did today, good or bad, it wouldn't affect his draft stock. He said teams aren't expecting him to wow in drills and 40's. They know his film, size and work ethic. That alone will make him go top 15. No matter what his 40 time is these NFL GM's know he's a 1st round pick. That's all that matters.

 

[volfanCLT]

You completely dismissed the fact that he had been sick the day before and just took his 40 time as if it wasn't affected. Also, 4.88 is not a bad 40 time for a DE. It is perfectly acceptable. It is a good time. Nobody expected DB to run a 4.5 or 4.6. You just went super negative and now are back pedaling trying to save face.

Agajn, you're getting emotional when having a discussion about numbers at the combine. If you can't handle that, then we may not be able to have a civil conversation.

I don't feel I was overly negative.

4.88 is an average time for a DE weighing 259. It is what it is.