Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

[BruinVol]

I honestly don't think that Brice would throw that out there without some very strong confirmation that it was true.

You are talking about the same guy that reported that the Blackburn hire was happening before Christmas and then reported Fulmer was going to be hired right after the new year.

He has swung and missed badly with this search.

 

[JacketVol]

Fumbled too much.

Someone who gets football. He needs to improve this.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I'm not disputing you in any way.

Not getting a job because you don't meet requirements set for the job isn't disrespectful though. I didn't get a job last year at the hospital I work at currently because I had no Director experience. Couldn't get mad because I knew the requirements going in.

I really wanted Phil to get the job but he had no AD experience let alone Power 5 which was the requirement set forth by the new President.

I'm willing to give Currie a chance. Hopefully he will make everyone forget about all the dysfunction surrounding this hire.

Isn't this hypocritical for her to think "Blackburn has no P5 experience so he can't do the job and I don't want him?"

She just become the Chancellor here with no P5 Chancellor experience.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

You are talking about the same guy that reported that the Blackburn hire was happening before Christmas and then reported Fulmer was going to be hired right after the new year.

He has swung and missed badly with this search.

You can't blame Brice for what they were spoon feeding and he wasn't the only one. I think all the names were a smokescreen because if they would have mentioned Currie before Christmas people would have had time to fume and say no.
So instead his name gets thrown in the ring 60 minutes before the Chancellor announces she hired him.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Isn't this hypocritical for her to think "Blackburn has no P5 experience so he can't do the job and I don't want him?"

She just become the Chancellor here with no P5 Chancellor experience.

Well there isn't a "Power 5" category for academics. That's just an athletics designation.

 

[BruinVol]

Isn't this hypocritical for her to think "Blackburn has no P5 experience so he can't do the job and I don't want him?"

She just become the Chancellor here with no P5 Chancellor experience.

Not hypocritical at all. Actually makes it make more sense in that she knows she needs to surround herself with people with that kid of experience to help in her own transition.

 

[BruinVol]

You can't blame Brice for what they were spoon feeding and he wasn't the only one. I think all the names were a smokescreen because if they would have mentioned Currie before Christmas people would have had time to fume and say no.
So instead his name gets thrown in the ring 60 minutes before the Chancellor announces she hired him.

No doubt he was fed Bs which is exactly why I don't believe his info now about Fulmer.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Well there isn't a "Power 5" category for academics. That's just an athletics designation.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I didn't watch the press conference yet but I listened to the VQ podcast with Hubbs and Price and they seem to think Currie did well and Beverly did not. Sound about right?

Agreed

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Evading the question isn't answering...

Regardless of where he was, was he for or against dooley. Very important :hi:

No earthly idea doc

 

[JacketVol]

It is still there.

Blackburn still has time in his career. He's making good money in relation to most people and is admired greatly in Chattanooga. He can look at other good opportunities or stay there and enjoy life.

But there is a lesson in this for Fulmer. If I was him I would be reassessing how much time and heart I invested into UT. Enjoy the good memories and move on to other interests. Should have done that all along with that bunch.

David wants the big job and the payday that goes with it. Wanted to be at the school he loves and the Sentinal had a pic that includes a young DB helping carry a goal post thru the streets. Now, it will be at a different school and that will be best for him.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Wow BB, that is interesting. Ak would be a good fit in the Viking offense. They run a lot of plays out of the shotgun too...so the learning curve going into the NFL wouldn't be quite as bad for him either.

Glad you posted this. Gives us something to talk about other than the AD.

I'd give you a like for it, but I can't, because I am you. :unsure:

To converse with an equal, you have to talk to yourself, amirite Baldy? I would have said the almighty like that Irishman in Braveheart, but didn't want to add blasphemy to my sins today

 

[Vols4us]

Not sure why he would expect to get the job anyway. I love Coach Fulmer, but the only way I wanted him was if DB came with him. You have to have some experience in the job itself. I just didn't see it. I would like to see him at least stay involved when asked or at least acknowledge the university but have no issue if he considers other interests. He has actually already done that.

I wanted DB head and shoulders above everybody else. I would rather have Phil over Currie, but probably not over Cunningham or even Morrison if either had been an option. People are underestimating Phil's business sense and background. He's been a partner in a business investment company along with helping ETSU restart their football program among other things. Bill Battle had never been an AD either. He had transferrable experience. Phil's supporters believe he did as well.

There's just people at UT that did not want either one back in positions of authority. They won. Time to move on. It's on them now. Whether that means fewer big boosters, less VFL participation, whatever the consequences turn out to be is on them. I just hope their guy does the job at such a high level we forget who he is because the sports programs are doing so well.

 

[Kristy*]

That doesn't even make sense.

The chancellor oversees the university, not the athletics. The AD oversees. . . you guessed it - the athletics. :hi:

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

That doesn't even make sense.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[BaldBiker]

To converse with an equal, you have to talk to yourself, amirite Baldy? I would have said the almighty like that Irishman in Braveheart, but didn't want to add blasphemy to my sins today

Discussing things with myself is about the only time I have a chance to be right...even then it's a coin flip though.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

No doubt he was fed Bs which is exactly why I don't believe his info now about Fulmer.

You can trust what Hyams has wrote about all this since Currie was hired. He's slow on reporting things but there is a good reason he is.

Anybody have any tidbits to why DB wouldn't get a formal interview? I understand what the Chancellor said about P5 but Fulmer got a formal interview with no P5 experience.

Has DB ever said anything about the Haslams that anybody knows of?

 

[Vols4us]

I didn't watch the press conference yet but I listened to the VQ podcast with Hubbs and Price and they seem to think Currie did well and Beverly did not. Sound about right?

She was childish and nervous. She also did not respond well or even at all to some of the hard questions.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

The chancellor oversees the university, not the athletics. The AD oversees. . . you guessed it - the athletics. :hi:

Missed my point.

Don't you think the Chancellor has 100x the responsibility at a University compared to that of an AD?

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I'm behind Currie and I'm hopeful we'll see Tennessee athletics once again rise to prominence under his guide. I do feel bad for Coach Fulmer and Blackburn though, sounds like they were dealt with in a very unprofessional manner. Those two love Tennessee and should have been shown the utmost respect whether they got the job or not.

 

[orangefreak21]

I feel like some of you don’t understand what an AD does, and it seems like willful ignorance to me – or at the very least, dramatically oversimplifying it to serve your argument.

In Currie’s time at K State, their yearly revenue has increased from about $50M per year (in 2010) to $85M per year (in 2016). Also in that time, their yearly expenses increased from $40M per year to $75M per year. Source. He knows how to make the money, and he invests it right back into the program.

Do you want the best facilities in the SEC? Because that’s how you get the best facilities in the SEC. No, they aren’t “good enough already”. Sports science is a constantly-evolving industry, and UT must keep up if they want to be relevant in college athletics. Do you want one of the biggest recruiting budgets in the nation? You make the money, then you spend it. Do you want the best coaches? You’d better be able to afford them.

This isn’t a “Currie is the best AD ever!” post. Are there issues? Sure. I’m not crazy about hiring a guy who is reportedly so divisive. And he doesn’t have a long track record with regards to coaching hires for football and basketball. But making enough money to afford the best is a very good start. You can fail with a solid foundation, but you can't succeed without one.

This+a million

Some are getting way caught up in names and hurt feelings. It's incredible that so many people would get so worked up over this.

He'll either do well or he'll get fired. It's that simple.. But his record says he'll be just fine.

The athletic director has many functions. Hiring a coach is very far down the list. While it's the most exciting/important to all of us.. It's not the majority of the job an AD does.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Need to operate in the gray some. He won't allow that.

Absolutely agree...UGA and Clemson are really on top of their game in this regard. I'm concerned that this type of attitude, that we are above that, could lead to the Vanderbilterization of the program long term. There has always been gray area. I'm not for Ole Miss Type of blatant carelessness though either. Compliance is a tightrope that this hire seems to not want to walk. Competing successfully in the SEC as paladins of compliance is not going to be an was row to hoe. It looks impossible to me.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Missed my point.

Don't you think the Chancellor has 100x the responsibility at a University compared to that of an AD?

So you would turn away the Harvard chancellor because they aren't "Power 5"?

 

[BruinVol]

You can trust what Hyams has wrote about all this since Currie was hired. He's slow on reporting things but there is a good reason he is.

Anybody have any tidbits to why DB wouldn't get a formal interview? I understand what the Chancellor said about P5 but Fulmer got a formal interview with no P5 experience.

Has DB ever said anything about the Haslams that anybody knows of?

Hyams is hands down the best media guy in Knoxville. It really isn't close.

 

[orangefreak21]

Also a Tennessee guy. Not a Bama boy.

This should be enough of an upgrade..