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Behr said:
This started out me questioning Wise and 102455, as it turns out, you were too. Forget that.

I don't see how any UT AD hires Derek Dooley, but they did. I don't see how any new AD will retain Butch if he continues in the same direction without getting to Atlanta, but again, who knows?

I have to think that it's not just wins and losses, but who those wins and losses are.

You know, I've edited this post several times. Lol. I just can't do this. No hard feelings towards you, seriously. I just don't feel comfortable giving my opinion on possible decisions being made by someone I don't have a clue who will be making those decisions on things that haven't even happened yet and no clue as to what will happen.

I hope Butch succeeds. I have doubts that he can win in a way that I want him to, but really hope he can. I think because of the AD situation, if he wins 9 games this year he will be safe to coach 2018. After that, again, I have no clue but, If he wins 9 this year but doesn't get us to Atlanta, I will be in favor of replacing him.
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9 regular season wins, would be over achieving in 2017. Even more so if we were to post a 6-2 conference record. I'd hate to lose to GT, I'd still take that loss over 5-3 in the SEC.

However, IMO, 8 regular season wins and another 4-4 conference record, with a bowl win, doesn't save CBJ if we have a competent AD in place unless the coaching landscape is so barren that there's no viable upgrade.

Neither Phil Fulmer nor Derek Dooley were fired because they weren't winning enough OOC games. That conference record is all that matters until you start going to Atlanta at the end of the season.
 
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#102
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volfan102455 said:
I believe he keeps his job with 9 wins.

Like everyone else I did not like losing to SC, but it was obviously the team was off that night. What we know after the fact is that a key player had several late nights due to classroom commitments and we know another player was on his way to quitting the team. Should we have won - absolutely - but it is time to move on. Other teams that lost to someone they shouldn't have moved on - not sure why some Tennessee fans can't do the same.

And I was mad after Vandy - but guess what - the sun came up the next day and life goes on. Just like it did when Peyton and company lost at Memphis when losing to Memphis was worse than losing to Vandy or SC.

Some of you need to invoke a 24 or 48 rule. You have over milked the two losses.

It is time to either get behind the 2017 edition of this football team or take your marbles and go root for someone else.
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Number 1. You didn't answer the question. Are you going to be okay if Butch never wins the East as long as he wins 9 games?

2. What does "some of you mean"? I haven't "milked" anything. How in the hell are you including me in this?

3. How dare you put me in the position to side with "negavols". Lol, you've lost your mind. :crazy:
 
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BeardedVol said:
Can you name one P5 football fan base that is happy about going 4-4 in conference play, and who champions wins over Sunbelt and MAC teams during the season?
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Unfortunately, a good portion of ours. They're the same ones who think last year was great since the Vols won another bowl game under Butch and beat Florida and Georgia.

The fact that UT lost to SC and Vandy, or had the Sugar Bowl handed to them is never mentioned in their posts
 
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Behr said:
Number 1. You didn't answer the question. Are you going to be okay if Butch never wins the East as long as he wins 9 games?

2. What does "some of you mean"? I haven't "milked" anything. How in the hell are you including me in this?

3. How dare you put me in the position to side with "negavols". Lol, you've lost your mind. :crazy:
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1. I believe he will win the East. 2016 was a very strange year, not just in the SEC. Lots of teams losing to teams they shouldn't. Could be parity or just a strange year.

2. I wasn't targeting you - just how I feel in general. I am growing tired of every thread being the same thing over and over again.

3. Please don't side with them - they are only continuing to feed the media to put out stories like this.
 
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BeardedVol said:
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Antarctica has been melting at an unprecedented (some would say unpresidented) rate for the past several years.
 
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BeardedVol said:
9 regular season wins, would be over achieving in 2017. Even more so if we were to post a 6-2 conference record. I'd hate to lose to GT, I'd still take that loss over 5-3 in the SEC.

However, IMO, 8 regular season wins and another 4-4 conference record, with a bowl win, doesn't save CBJ if we have a competent AD in place unless the coaching landscape is so barren that there's no viable upgrade.

Neither Phil Fulmer nor Derek Dooley were fired because they weren't winning enough OOC games. That conference record is all that matters until you start going to Atlanta at the end of the season.
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I think you like to argue. We've done it before and I've seen you do it with others. That's cool, but it seems you disregard others points and focus mainly on yours. I guess that's fine too, but it gets tiresome.:)

I don't think Butch gets the boot this year with another 4-4 conference record. But for the 4th time, I don't know, but I think it's fine that you feel comfortable with thinking that. I'm not sure how many times I've said this, but if he goes 4-4 in the SEC, which most likely means no Atlanta, I hope you are right. BUT, as you brought up, what if there is no one better available? That's a big reason I hope Butch succeeds (also for obvious reasons).

I promise. I understand what your opinion is on Butch and his record, and what you think the new AD will do according to that record. Let's go in a different direction, or just stop.:good!:
 
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vols 30 said:
Unfortunately, a good portion of ours. They're the same ones who think last year was great since the Vols won another bowl game under Butch and beat Florida and Georgia.

The fact that UT lost to SC and Vandy, or had the Sugar Bowl handed to them is never mentioned in their posts
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This type of post has been done to death. Do you really think it needs to be brought up more?

Is it okay with you if I think beating Florida and Georgia and winning a bowl game is great, but also wish it had been more? Do I have to say it in every post to mean something? Do you not feel the same?
 
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Behr said:
I think you like to argue. We've done it before and I've seen you do it with others. That's cool, but it seems you disregard others points and focus mainly on yours. I guess that's fine too, but it gets tiresome.:)

I don't think Butch gets the boot this year with another 4-4 conference record. But for the 4th time, I don't know, but I think it's fine that you feel comfortable with thinking that. I'm not sure how many times I've said this, but if he goes 4-4 in the SEC, which most likely means no Atlanta, I hope you are right. BUT, as you brought up, what if there is no one better available? That's a big reason I hope Butch succeeds (also for obvious reasons).

I promise. I understand what your opinion is on Butch and his record, and what you think the new AD will do according to that record. Let's go in a different direction, or just stop.:good!:
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What point did I disregard?

I'm never going to be ok with a 4-4 conference record, no matter how many OOC games Butch wins, or how many consecutive 2nd tier bowls we go to in a row. Long term no competent AD would retain a coach who consistently performed at that level either. More successful coaches have been fired, while having better records than CBJ will have going into 2017.

You and I are never going to see eye to eye on that issue; we can just choose not to respond to one another's posts on the issue.
 
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Behr said:
This type of post has been done to death. Do you really think it needs to be brought up more?
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My sentiments exactly. It is getting old - time to move on. Every thread turns into this.

Every Tweet or post on Facebook follows the same pattern - there is always that person that wants to make a snarky remark ... I guess just because the can. I just don't get it.
 
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BeardedVol said:
9 regular season wins, would be over achieving in 2017. Even more so if we were to post a 6-2 conference record. I'd hate to lose to GT, I'd still take that loss over 5-3 in the SEC.

However, IMO, 8 regular season wins and another 4-4 conference record, with a bowl win, doesn't save CBJ if we have a competent AD in place unless the coaching landscape is so barren that there's no viable upgrade.

Neither Phil Fulmer nor Derek Dooley were fired because they weren't winning enough OOC games. That conference record is all that matters until you start going to Atlanta at the end of the season.
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Their spate of 5-7 SEASONS were more front and center.
 
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BeardedVol said:
What point did I disregard?

I'm never going to be ok with a 4-4 conference record, no matter how many OOC games Butch wins, or how many consecutive 2nd tier bowls we go to in a row. Long term no competent AD would retain a coach who consistently performed at that level either. More successful coaches have been fired, while having better records than CBJ will have going into 2017.

You and I are never going to see eye to eye on that issue; we can just choose not to respond to one another's posts on the issue.
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Okay dude. I've tried with you several times, and Im trying again. If I'm wrong, someone other than BV tell me and I will be glad to apologize, again.

I didn't say you would or should be okay with 4-4. I didn't say I would either. In fact, I said if 4-4 didn't get us to Atlanta, I would want to replace Butch.

I did say I didn't think Butch would be fired if he wins 9 games this year with a 4-4 conference record. You said you think he will, I said I hope you are right.

Why is this not acceptable to you?
 
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Behr said:
Okay dude. I've tried with you several times, and Im trying again. If I'm wrong, someone other than BV tell me and I will be glad to apologize, again.

I didn't say you would or should be okay with 4-4. I didn't say I would either. In fact, I said if 4-4 didn't get us to Atlanta, I would want to replace Butch.

I did say I didn't think Butch would be fired if he wins 9 games this year with a 4-4 conference record. You said you think he will, I said I hope you are right.

Why is this not acceptable to you?
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fwiw I agree with you Behr
 
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#115
Behr said:
Okay dude. I've tried with you several times, and Im trying again. If I'm wrong, someone other than BV tell me and I will be glad to apologize, again.

I didn't say you would or should be okay with 4-4. I didn't say I would either. In fact, I said if 4-4 didn't get us to Atlanta, I would want to replace Butch.

I did say I didn't think Butch would be fired if he wins 9 games this year with a 4-4 conference record. You said you think he will, I said I hope you are right.

Why is this not acceptable to you?
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I'm really not sure why you're getting riled up at that post.

My statement about us not agreeing was in direct reference to your belief that a 9 win season saves CBJ for 2018, and in that I conditionally disagree. Which is why I made the suggestion at the end of the post. I don't normally comment on anything that you do post on here, and wouldn't have in this case if you hadn't engaged me yourself.

As far as whether or not your opinion is "acceptable" or not, I have no clue why you are asking me that. You can hold whatever opinion you want, and base it on whatever information you want, and I guess as long as you can defend it that's all that matters.
 
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VolAnthem said:
This will be Butch's last season. (Hopefully)

I see a 5-7 season coming our way.
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Go support another team and don't come back when Tennessee is winning big.

Anyone who hopes for a losing season just because they don't like the coach and wants him gone is NOT a fan.
 
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I actually see CBJ getting another 3 to 4 years

he has retooled his staff

and yes,they need some time,to get and coach up there players

it would be a bit foolish for the new AD to fire a decent coach,who's team was plagued big time by injuries last year

should CBJ have somebody review his comments for broadcast ? hell yes :)

he isn't a good uuh spoke person at all ,to much coach speak(and yes,I watch them all)

a little better defense last year,would have went a long way and we all do know the amount on injuries there

so I don't think that CBJs seat is even warm.other than among the fans
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'm really not sure why you're getting riled up at that post.

My statement about us not agreeing was in direct reference to your belief that a 9 win season saves CBJ for 2018, and in that I conditionally disagree. Which is why I made the suggestion at the end of the post. I don't normally comment on anything that you do post on here, and wouldn't have in this case if you hadn't engaged me yourself.

As far as whether or not your opinion is "acceptable" or not, I have no clue why you are asking me that. You can hold whatever opinion you want, and base it on whatever information you want, and I guess as long as you can defend it that's all that matters.
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Haha, I'm not pumping sunshine but Im not agreeing with you so I'm "riled up". Typical diversion, but I expect it.

Hey, if you want me to explain how the rest of this post is silly, I will. Otherwise, we're done here.:thumbsup:
 
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governmentmule said:
I actually see CBJ getting another 3 to 4 years

he has retooled his staff

and yes,they need some time,to get and coach up there players

it would be a bit foolish for the new AD to fire a decent coach,who's team was plagued big time by injuries last year

should CBJ have somebody review his comments for broadcast ? hell yes :)

he isn't a good uuh spoke person at all ,to much coach speak(and yes,I watch them all)

a little better defense last year,would have went a long way and we all do know the amount on injuries there

so I don't think that CBJs seat is even warm.other than among the fans
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Agree. Add in the relatively small number of player issues and the expeditious way they are handled and you have even more incentive to hold onto him.
 
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#125
4-4 in conference play this season would likely mean losses to UGA, Florida, Bama, and LSU. I think that is when the hot seat truly begins. We tend to talk ourselves in circles on VolNation until we believe our own ramblings, even though the majority of Tennessee fans are okay with Butch.

It is a fine line in the SEC. 6-2 would probably mean losses to Bama and LSU, while beating GA Tech. This likely gets Butch an extension or more money. Just the nature of the conference.
 
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