Fair points for both sides from Andy Staples

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Volsfaninva917 said:
Tennessee Volunteers vs Florida Gators Odds - Saturday September 26 2015 | Odds Shark

Out of 14 betting sites Tennessee was favored on 13 of them. Tennessee is the top line



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-1.5
-115
+1.5
-105
Caesars
-115
-105
-1
-110
+1
-110
Westgate
-125
+105
-1.5
-110
+1.5
-110
BetOnline
-120
+100
-1
-110
+1
-110
MyBookie
-115
-105
Even
-105
Even
-115
Intertops
-115
-105
-1
-110
+1
-110
5Dimes
-117
-103
-1
-110
+1
-110
TopBet
-125
+105
-1
-115
+1
-105
GTBets
-117
-103
-1
-110
+1
-110
SportsBetting
-120
+100
-1
-110
+1
-110
SportBet
-117
-103
-1
-110
+1
-110
Station
+105
-125
-2
-110
+2
-110
Mirage


-1.5
-110
+1.5
-110
Wynn


-2.5
-110
+2.5
-110
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Anyone who doesn't know betting (and I'm guessing you do) you're just spinning. Anything under three is considered a 'pic em' not a "supposed to win".

I've never understood the point of trying so hard to make it seem worse than it is? Why do you do this in every thread?

Supposed to win is complete BS and I swear I think you already know that.
 
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Doberman said:
A 13 pt lead halfway through the 4th quarter is a "supposed to win".
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Yeah, that's when they set the odds. Halfway through the 4th quarter. Just stop it was not a "supposed to win" game.

I gave him blame for losing the lead, why is the truth never enough for you guys? You have legitimate arguments, but that is never enough.

He underachieved in 2016. 2015 we were set for 7.5 wins, he achieved. There's no reason to try to rewrite history to make it sound worse.
 
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chargervol said:
Anyone who doesn't know betting (and I'm guessing you do) you're just spinning. Anything under three is considered a 'pic em' not a "supposed to win".

I've never understood the point of trying so hard to make it seem worse than it is? Why do you do this in every thread?

Supposed to win is complete BS and I swear I think you already know that.
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Never said UF was a supposed to win but it was a should win.

Why do you always spin things as Butch walks on water? Why do the sunshine pumpers gloat over a recruiting class that finished 3rd in the east? I love in another thread someone pointed out Tennessee was 3rd in wins behind Florida and Alabama over the last 2 years, like that's some sort of huge accomplishment? Or how the new QB coach was spun as a great hire, if he was so great why was he coaching RB's at the school which he played and graduated from? Why hasn't he coached at a power 5 school in YEARS? Why do sunshine pumpers always try to piss down peoples backs and tell them it's raining? Why are the top recruits leaving the state? Why is Butch's recruiting average ranking on par with Dooley's? Why has Butch's recruiting gone down hill the last 2 classes?
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Never said UF was a supposed to win but it was a should win.

Why do you always spin things as Butch walks on water? Why do the sunshine pumpers gloat over a recruiting class that finished 3rd in the east? I love in another thread someone pointed out Tennessee was 3rd in wins behind Florida and Alabama over the last 2 years, like that's some sort of huge accomplishment? Or how the new QB coach was spun as a great hire, if he was so great why was he coaching RB's at the school which he played and graduated from? Why hasn't he coached at a power 5 school in YEARS? Why do sunshine pumpers always try to piss down peoples backs and tell them it's raining? Why are the top recruits leaving the state? Why is Butch's recruiting average ranking on par with Dooley's? Why has Butch's recruiting gone down hill the last 2 classes?
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Find one post from me, just one.

I'll wait, and when you can't, admit you just make things up to make things seem worse than they are, like you just did me.

Just one.

Edit: that goes for whoever gave your post a like also.
 
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chargervol said:
Yeah, that's when they set the odds. Halfway through the 4th quarter. Just stop it was not a "supposed to win" game.

I gave him blame for losing the lead, why is the truth never enough for you guys? You have legitimate arguments, but that is never enough.

He underachieved in 2016. 2015 we were set for 7.5 wins, he achieved. There's no reason to try to rewrite history to make it sound worse.
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Define it however you want.

A 4th qtr 2 touchdown lead is MY definition of "supposed to win".

I don't give a damn if the opening line was UF -2-1/2 or not.

No need to even tee it up according to your position here.
 
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Doberman said:
Define it however you want.

A 4th qtr 2 touchdown lead is MY definition of "supposed to win".

I don't give a damn if the opening line was UF -2-1/2 or not.

No need to even tee it up according to your position here.
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Your definition. Well that's a heck of a lot of convenience.
 
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chargervol said:
Find one post from me, just one.

I'll wait, and when you can't, admit you just make things up to make things seem worse than they are, like you just did me.

Just one.

Edit: that goes for whoever gave your post a like also.
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What did I just make up to make things seems worse? Because I presented all the facts and not just best line's off odd shark? I never said Florida was a sure win but I did say it was a should win. You responded to the guy by saying he was wrong quoting best lines on odd shark but leaving out the true lines from that weekend. So who spins stories?
 
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Doberman said:
Makes more sense than deciding the outcome before kickoff.
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That's the actual definition of "supposed to win".

Losing a lead late is could or should have won.
A heavily favored team losing to an underdog is a supposed to win.
Versus South Carolina and versus Vanderbilt this past season those fit the definition. And that's enough, no need to exaggerate.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
What did I just make up to make things seems worse? Because I presented all the facts and not just best line's off odd shark? I never said Florida was a sure win but I did say it was a should win. You responded to the guy by saying he was wrong quoting best lines on odd shark but leaving out the true lines from that weekend. So who spins stories?
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No 2.5 means we're favored. I gave the highest line for us and it falls under 'pick em' what is wrong with you?

But I'm past that, you made a personal accusation against me, where's that post? Remember "walks on water", surely you didn't exaggerate that did you?
 
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chargervol said:
No 2.5 means we're favored. I gave the highest line for us and it falls under 'pick em' what is wrong with you?

But I'm past that, you made a personal accusation against me, where's that post? Remember "walks on water", surely you didn't exaggerate that did you?
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Then why do you get so damn defensive over Butch like you're dating him?
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Then why do you get so damn defensive over Butch like you're dating him?
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Because I use the actual facts? That's not a defense of him. I'm not happy with Where We Are. Why is that an issue?
Why do you need to make it sound worse? That's the third time I've asked, I would appreciate an answer.

I've not defended him once, only reality. You on the other hand, sound like a scorned ex-girlfriend.

Did you find that post where I claimed his greatness yet?
 
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chargervol said:
Because I use the actual facts? That's not a defense of him. I'm not happy with Where We Are. Why is that an issue?
Why do you need to make it sound worse? That's the third time I've asked, I would appreciate an answer.

I've not defended him once, only reality. You on the other hand, sound like a scorned ex-girlfriend.

Did you find that post where I claimed his greatness yet?
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So why is it ok for you to have your opinion but you attack mine saying I'm twisting facts. Am I not presenting facts as well? Trying to make it worse? How so? In fact in my original post I pointed out that Andy Staples had made fair points to both sides of the argument, did I not? Is that not the head line?
 
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Doberman said:
Define it however you want.

A 4th qtr 2 touchdown lead is MY definition of "supposed to win".

I don't give a damn if the opening line was UF -2-1/2 or not.

No need to even tee it up according to your position here.
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By your logic, does that mean that UF was "supposed to win" in 2016 when they got up 21-0 although UT was favored before the game?
 
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chargervol said:
That's the actual definition of "supposed to win".

Losing a lead late is could or should have won.
A heavily favored team losing to an underdog is a supposed to win.
Versus South Carolina and versus Vanderbilt this past season those fit the definition. And that's enough, no need to exaggerate.
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Fine. Semantics.

Bottom line is we choked it away and had one less W in the win column because of it.

Call it supposed to, or should have, either way we didn't and that's really the point.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
So why is it ok for you to have your opinion but you attack mine saying I'm twisting facts. Am I not presenting facts as well? Trying to make it worse? How so? In fact in my original post I pointed out that Andy Staples had made fair points to both sides of the argument, did I not? Is that not the head line?
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I didn't say anything about your Op.
You jumped in against me because you didn't realize there was no negative in front of the 2.5 I gave.

But if you want me to go to all your other threads... from ACC writers or Joe Blow on any radio show that says something negative about Jones, then you come here and post it with big LOL and haha all over it, I can do that.


Now, either come up with one of my "walks on water" posts or please admit that you made it up.
 
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Doberman said:
Fine. Semantics.

Bottom line is we choked it away and had one less W in the win column because of it.

Call it supposed to, or should have, either way we didn't and that's really the point.
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And I've never said that he didn't choke away a lead. But I'm not going to paint it as they were some huge underdog and that embarrassed us.

That happened twice this past season. Honestly, is that not bad enough to make the point though?

I just hate when this place talks about our history - with this coach or previous coaches - and changes things to make it sound even worse.

If the man is not good enough to be where everyone thinks we should, he will be gone. That's good enough. I've just never seen the point in all the berating. I get it with a coach who takes us from good and makes us bad, that's not what he did.
He may not be a great coach but he didn't destroy the program and the hate seems a bit much at times.
 
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chargervol said:
I didn't say anything about your Op.
You jumped in against me because you didn't realize there was no negative in front of the 2.5 I gave.

But if you want me to go to all your other threads... from ACC writers or Joe Blow on any radio show that says something negative about Jones, then you come here and post it with big LOL and haha all over it, I can do that.


Now, either come up with one of my "walks on water" posts or please admit that you made it up.
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Nope
 
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05_never_again said:
Get ready to hear a ton of excuses next year.

The skill position players that were responsible for nearly every yard of offense are gone (Dobbs, Kamara, Hurd, Malone). We lost both defensive ends, including one who set the all-time school record for sacks. Our two best defensive players next year are likely to be two DTs who are coming off multiple severe, season-ending injuries. We saw how much the linebackers struggled last year without JRM; now he's gone for good. We saw how much the secondary struggled last year without Sutton; now he's gone for good. Foreman is gone too; I suppose you can only go up from there but he was an experienced player. Color me skeptical that a new DBs coach can teach guys to turn around and find the ball in a single offseason.

2016 was Butch's time to make a move. He failed to, and in 2017 he is being expected to make a move again with a new QB and an overall inferior team.

Georgia Tech is an eminently loseable game next year. If Butch drops that one, it could be a season of doom. If you get past that one, there are still Florida and Georgia that he will be expected to beat.
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Don't want to hear the excuses. Jones has used his Mulligans in 2016 with the chemistry and injury issues. Georgia is a home game. Florida is not what they were in the Leak/Tebow years. Not even close. LSU will be tough but it's a home game. GA Tech lost its QB to eligibility. The only game the Vols are playing with house money is at Bammer. Jones has to win that game some time. Every team has to replace good players for the upcoming season. Good coaches can manage that. Good coaches can call successful plays in key situations (see some of Rick Barnes calls after timeouts this year in basketball). In the words of the infamous Bootstrap Bill...Times up Jack..er..Butch!!
 
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