Give Jones credit

[Roustabout]

Love the Hoke hire. Im still uneasy about an OC with zero playcalling experience. Only time will tell. For everyone's sake, I hope they are immensely successsful. Go VOLS!

Another reason why Canales is here.
Most play calling is situational, down and distance. Game planning is the bigger deal.

 

[Dudleys87]

Butch is clearly a guy who believes in his "system" & organization. He likely felt comfortable going with guys who were emersed in it. Even the new hires & DeBord are guys he's had longstanding relationships with.

Would you rather start a project with guys you didn't know or guys you knew would do what needed to done without explanation?

 

[Dudleys87]

Another reason why Canales is here.
Most play calling is situational, down and distance. Game planning is the bigger deal.

The the second part is an issue Scott is the biggest fool in the bunch.


He stated many times he helped Debord game plan this past season

 

[Mick]

There were few people that actually thought CBJ brought in the best staff in america when he came in. Back-to-back 9 win seasons and that is considered the ceiling for CBJ so he had to upgrade. CBJ took some of these assistants as far as they could go without dragging him down. A tremendous upgrade to the coaching staff since his first year and I wouldn't mind to see a couple more upgrades.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Jones does not deserve credit (no UT coach does after losing to Vandy and SCjr, and finishing out of top 10 in recruiting). Instead he should look for a new job asap while he can still get at least some credit for his early success in recruiting. With most key players gone, it's hard to imagine how next year won't be even worse than 2016. The only hope is that our DC (Butch's only great hire in 4 years) starts delivering something closer to his career average performance. Our offense will be very young and most likely struggle big time so much improved defense is our best hope next year. I hope I'm wrong but after all the disappointments we just went through with wasted talent and sub-par recruiting class it's hard to find reason to be optimistic.

You are wrong about the no credit aspect and I hope you are wrong about our offense will stuggle.

 

[allenrikvik]

Change requires courage and discipline. it is very easy to accept the status quo. So many complain about our coach, but I appreciate the adjustments to the staff and game planning. It is not viable to say that CBJ is satisfied.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

Jones does not deserve credit (no UT coach does after losing to Vandy and SCjr, and finishing out of top 10 in recruiting). Instead he should look for a new job asap while he can still get at least some credit for his early success in recruiting. With most key players gone, it's hard to imagine how next year won't be even worse than 2016. The only hope is that our DC (Butch's only great hire in 4 years) starts delivering something closer to his career average performance. Our offense will be very young and most likely struggle big time so much improved defense is our best hope next year. I hope I'm wrong but after all the disappointments we just went through with wasted talent and sub-par recruiting class it's hard to find reason to be optimistic.

Step back from the ledge, snowflake.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Jones does not deserve credit (no UT coach does after losing to Vandy and SCjr, and finishing out of top 10 in recruiting). Instead he should look for a new job asap while he can still get at least some credit for his early success in recruiting. With most key players gone, it's hard to imagine how next year won't be even worse than 2016. The only hope is that our DC (Butch's only great hire in 4 years) starts delivering something closer to his career average performance. Our offense will be very young and most likely struggle big time so much improved defense is our best hope next year. I hope I'm wrong but after all the disappointments we just went through with wasted talent and sub-par recruiting class it's hard to find reason to be optimistic.

You forgot your blue font! :thud:

 

[Jackcrevol]

So they finish with the 11th ranked class and he gets the pink slip...in February? :lol:

farred

 

[TAF]

Best Coaching Staff in America 4.0?

 

[IknoxvolsI]

Randy Sanders anyone?🤔

 

[Dudleys87]

Jones does not deserve credit (no UT coach does after losing to Vandy and SCjr, and finishing out of top 10 in recruiting). Instead he should look for a new job asap while he can still get at least some credit for his early success in recruiting. With most key players gone, it's hard to imagine how next year won't be even worse than 2016. The only hope is that our DC (Butch's only great hire in 4 years) starts delivering something closer to his career average performance. Our offense will be very young and most likely struggle big time so much improved defense is our best hope next year. I hope I'm wrong but after all the disappointments we just went through with wasted talent and sub-par recruiting class it's hard to find reason to be optimistic.

Why does Jones not deserve credit for the following:

1) Bringing in Hoke when he could have easily just blindly picked someone.
2) Bringing in Warren who is an instant upgrade and sending the weak link and arguably the trouble in the locker room packing
3) Bringing in a stable full of Ace recruiters
4) Bringing in Debord without Debord no records are set and Dobbs is still the inaccurate young kid from Georgia
5) Beating Florida for the first time in 12 years
6) Beating Georgia for the first time in B2B seasons in years
7) winning a hell of a lot of ball games

 

[1974Vol]

This. Assistants move around all the time. If an assistant is in the same position for several years, something is usually wrong.

Yep Bud Foster stinks but I get your point on the whole. You still have to look at each situation on an individual basis.

 

[TGVol]

Why does Jones not deserve credit for the following:

1) Bringing in Hoke when he could have easily just blindly picked someone.
2) Bringing in Warren who is an instant upgrade and sending the weak link and arguably the trouble in the locker room packing
3) Bringing in a stable full of Ace recruiters
4) Bringing in Debord without Debord no records are set and Dobbs is still the inaccurate young kid from Georgia
5) Beating Florida for the first time in 12 years
6) Beating Georgia for the first time in B2B seasons in years
7) winning a hell of a lot of ball games

Hoke has not done well at his recent jobs so I'm not giving Butch credit just for hiring his buddy who is currently unemployed. Debord sucked when we needed it the most - against Vandy in second half and Muschamp. Florida and UGA were good wins but those programs were very weak compared to their historical norm. Both just beat us in recruiting and have positive momentum while Butch failed in his most important year 4 where the expectations were to win the east (minimum). Butch's overall SEC record is pathetic after 4 years, so I'm not sure what you mean by winning a hell of a lot of ball games (unless you count App State, Ohio, etc as meaningful wins).

 

[jakez4ut]

Change requires courage and discipline. it is very easy to accept the status quo. So many complain about our coach, but I appreciate the adjustments to the staff and game planning. It is not viable to say that CBJ is satisfied.

Well said.

 

[Dudleys87]

Hoke has not done well at his recent jobs so I'm not giving Butch credit just for hiring his buddy who is currently unemployed. Debord sucked when we needed it the most - against Vandy in second half and Muschamp. Florida and UGA were good wins but those programs were very weak compared to their historical norm. Both just beat us in recruiting and have positive momentum while Butch failed in his most important year 4 where the expectations were to win the east (minimum). Butch's overall SEC record is pathetic after 4 years, so I'm not sure what you mean by winning a hell of a lot of ball games (unless you count App State, Ohio, etc as meaningful wins).

Some guys are position coaches ex: Kiffin
While those games were bad he did a lot of good more than those two bad things. Remember the Bama game at Bryant Denny Debord called a hell of a game if not for the late fumble Tennessee wins
Georgia has the ability to sell what Tennessee used to sell new blood and lots of PT. Florida always closes strong so getting passed doesent stress me out that much
Wins are wins to me. They can't be anything else

 

[Iam4utalways]

Hoke has not done well at his recent jobs so I'm not giving Butch credit just for hiring his buddy who is currently unemployed. Debord sucked when we needed it the most - against Vandy in second half and Muschamp. Florida and UGA were good wins but those programs were very weak compared to their historical norm. Both just beat us in recruiting and have positive momentum while Butch failed in his most important year 4 where the expectations were to win the east (minimum). Butch's overall SEC record is pathetic after 4 years, so I'm not sure what you mean by winning a hell of a lot of ball games (unless you count App State, Ohio, etc as meaningful wins).

Every game is meaningful and count.

Some teams win or lose is still a loss.

Those two were on the schedule and we won them.

I don't have a problem dropping all the cup cakes and play only power 5 teams rotate them out home and home and make every game count.

 

[jakez4ut]

All he can do is address the issues that exist.

He's not gonna fire himself.

So....he's addressed each position that most all of us overwhelmingly agree needed to be addressed.

So until we see the fruits of that labor, we just have to take it for what it is. Recognition of the issues, and steps taken to fix said issues.

Which, at the end of the day, is what I what I wanted him to do. So I will give credit here.

The bad news...I don't know that these changes will have such an impact on this season, to make it any more than the 7/8 wins I currently expect.

Lots of transition=lots of ifs.

 

[chargervol]

Some guys are position coaches ex: Kiffin
While those games were bad he did a lot of good more than those two bad things. Remember the Bama game at Bryant Denny Debord called a hell of a game if not for the late fumble Tennessee wins
Georgia has the ability to sell what Tennessee used to sell new blood and lots of PT. Florida always closes strong so getting passed doesent stress me out that much
Wins are wins to me. They can't be anything else

He's never conceded to anything even being marginally decent, I wouldn't worry with it Dudley.
I can go to 90% of the fan boards in the country and get their arguments against their coach. I could take those arguments and string them together the exact same way he just did, including the ones he used.

He's talking about what Florida did to us in recruiting, but they're not tickled about losing to us on the field. And they're saying the same thing about their class not getting it done against Florida State or even Georgia now. It's easy to take everything that's not the best and build the case, doesn't mean a lot of it isn't true. But I never trust anyone who admits no wrong or who admits no right. It's a waste of time.

Jones may very well fail here, but I give him credit on the staff changes. Nothing wrong with doing that.

 

[Dudleys87]

He's never conceded to anything even being marginally decent, I wouldn't worry with it Dudley.
I can go to 90% of the fan boards in the country and get their arguments against their coach. I could take those arguments and string them together the exact same way he just did, including the ones he used.

He's talking about what Florida did to us in recruiting, but they're not tickled about losing to us on the field. And they're saying the same thing about their class not getting it done against Florida State or even Georgia now. It's easy to take everything that's not the best and build the case, doesn't mean a lot of it isn't true. But I never trust anyone who admits no wrong or who admits no right. It's a waste of time.

Jones may very well fail here, but I give him credit on the staff changes. Nothing wrong with doing that.

All I know is Jones got a high profile guy here with some really solid coaches behind him

They all can recruit and extremely well if the on field stuff shakes out Tennessee will be back on track in recruiting.


If I can't have Strip back then the only other guy I wound want is Hoke. With the assumption that coach O would never return. I think he'll be that damn good

 

[chargervol]

All I know is Jones got a high profile guy here with some really solid coaches behind him

They all can recruit and extremely well if the on field stuff shakes out Tennessee will be back on track in recruiting.


If I can't have Strip back then the only other guy I wound want is Hoke. With the assumption that coach O would never return. I think he'll be that damn good

There's a good story out on Strip if you can find it.
He seems excited about his new role and it said he will actually be able to bring what he was best at (?) to all areas of the team now.

Maybe that's smoke but it seemed like a positive.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

So he should have hired "the best staff" in America on day one?

 

[jakez4ut]

So he should have hired "the best staff" in America on day one?

Sure. But I think the overhaul is a little more evidence supporting the notion he's learning on the job.

I think he believed he brought a great staff.

I think he learned. So we'll see if it translates this time around...

 

[Dudleys87]

There's a good story out on Strip if you can find it.
He seems excited about his new role and it said he will actually be able to bring what he was best at (?) to all areas of the team now.

Maybe that's smoke but it seemed like a positive.

Recruiting coordinator maybe?

 

[chargervol]

Recruiting coordinator maybe?

Director of football program development.
Said he will have the chance to be heavily involved in all aspects of the team now. I think it's on UT athletic site.