I think we are better

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Looks like a good spot for this...

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Freak said:
I've been in the camp that I don't think the 2017 team will be as bad as most think if we can find our quarterback early on. There's plenty of talent on this roster, which includes two top ten recruiting classes, to be in the hunt for Atlanta



Or the same depth that beat Florida and Georgia. The Vandy crap has to be corrected, though. There's absolutely no excuse for losing to those guys twice. That's the biggest black mark on Butch's resume, in my opinion.


Nor does your interpretation of past evidence predict the future. As they say on the brokerage commercials, past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.
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However, if you don't know where you've been, how do you know where you are going?
History does repeat itself in some cases.
 
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Freak said:
I don't agree. I think in today's landscape there's plenty of room for two featured backs, unlike a position such as quarterback where it's typically all in on one guy.

Agree about the line.
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Examples Ga and Bama
 
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One good thing about last year is we went deep in the rotation. A lot of developing and experience. I expect that to pay off this season.
 
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Thanks for joining the discourse, @Freak. Though I cannot cite facts to prove this, I do believe these past few pages included a greater semblance to reasoned debate than much of the FF to date in 2017. :hi:
 
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BeardedVol said:
7. Two highly rated QB's one with zero college playing time, and one with very little college playing time. I wouldn't consider trying to break either of them in a positive indicator for the 2017 season.
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I don't think QB play will be an issue. Cases in point - how many seasons has Bama played in NC games with a first time starter?

How many first time starting QB's have gashed the Vols? The SC game comes to mind quickly, but there have been many others. Dormady and Guarantano have been on campus long enough to make me think we won't have a problem at QB.
 
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ptcarter said:
I don't think QB play will be an issue. Cases in point - how many seasons has Bama played in NC games with a first time starter?

How many first time starting QB's have gashed the Vols? The SC game comes to mind quickly, but there have been many others. Dormady and Guarantano have been on campus long enough to make me think we won't have a problem at QB.
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Jalen Hurts, as a Freshman, was not the best QB that Alabama has fielded. However, if you take a young or subpar QB, and surround him with 5* upperclass, linemen, runningbacks, and receivers, you can compensate for many of his deficiencies, which Kiffin did.

We currently don't have that option, especially when it comes to offensive line, which will make or break your QB performance. If Josh Dobbs didn't have "spidey sense" level scrambling, it's Worley getting sacked every other play all over again.
 
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This is the year we finally have depth and experience at both offensive and defensive lines. The linebackers have experience. As long as we can keep JJ off the wackie we have leadership in the receiving corps and they are STACKED. We have experience and a leader as well as talent in the QB situation. We have Kelly as a leader in the backs. Fellas, we are deep. The 2 deep doesn't have a lot of experience but at some point during this season they will become experienced.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
This is the year we finally have depth and experience at both offensive and defensive lines. The linebackers have experience. As long as we can keep JJ off the wackie we have leadership in the receiving corps and they are STACKED. We have experience and a leader as well as talent in the QB situation. We have Kelly as a leader in the backs. Fellas, we are deep. The 2 deep doesn't have a lot of experience but at some point during this season they will become experienced.
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You started this thread with this in your first post:

IluvdoubleD's said:
We are inexperienced at key positions.. true, but we are deep with inexperience. We can rotate inexperience all day long now.
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How are we deep with inexperience, and experienced and stacked at the same time?
 
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UT is "better" if the D turns the corner in year 2 with Shoop, the OC hire was much better than most expect, and the S&C program does a 180 in player development and injury prevention.

That... is a lot of ifs.... and it doesn't get UT to a level where they compete for championships. They need more elite players to do that.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
This is the year we finally have depth and experience at both offensive and defensive lines. The linebackers have experience. As long as we can keep JJ off the wackie we have leadership in the receiving corps and they are STACKED. We have experience and a leader as well as talent in the QB situation. We have Kelly as a leader in the backs. Fellas, we are deep. The 2 deep doesn't have a lot of experience but at some point during this season they will become experienced.
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Outside of Jennings... are you talking about when you say "stacked"? Byrd had 209 yds and is the only WR besides JJ returning with over 100 yds or more than 10 receptions on the year.... and that's before you consider that Byrd probably needs to be a CB both for the sake of the team and his future.
 
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KBVol said:
As to your last paragraph, I think there's legitimate debate to be had Freak as to whether or not team 120 improved from the previous season. I honestly thought we were an overall better, better coached and certainly a much more disciplined team in 2015 over 2016 despite the identical record. I think the trend of having his teams improve year to year was broken last season. Here's to hoping he starts a new one with team 121 this year.
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It's a fair point KB and I don't disagree. We did have a record number of injuries, though. But either way, I don't think one season makes or breaks a trend.

And really my point wasn't about the trend. Rather I was trying to give an example that not every bit of evidence points to a 5-7 record next year, like some are suggesting. Butch has generally improved his teams from year to year, in previous stops and here at Tennessee.

Reasons for optimism do exist. A top five and top ten class on the roster -- that's another positive that folks could use to support optimism if they so chose.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
And, one more thing I think it's important to say here. Lets all remind ourselves that Coach Jones didn't just pick these guys out of a hat o.k., he has been forming relationships with some of these kids since grade school. CJ is close with their families at this point. he KNOWS what he is getting himself into with these young men. Also, whoever does the scouting on these young men obviously knows what he's doing. He consistently picks out under recruited kids that turn out to be 5 star talent. he does it way above what he should be able to do. The guy is VERY good at it.
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I think I picked the wrong thread to take a stance that reasons do exist for optimism. Folks might think I'm agreeing with you, when I'm pretty sure you're simply trolling at this point.
 
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joevol33 said:
Yep. I've said before, and I absolutely believe we're not gonna be as bad as some think. I'm not saying we won't lose, but I bet with a bowl we win 10 games.
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As much as I hate to see Dobbs leave, I'm excited about the upcoming quarterback battle. It should make for a fun spring.
 
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Tin Man said:
Thanks for joining the discourse, @Freak. Though I cannot cite facts to prove this, I do believe these past few pages included a greater semblance to reasoned debate than much of the FF to date in 2017. :hi:
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I like to jump into the fray and get my hands dirty once in a while. Lol.

I think the discussions are fun when folks are civil and looking to actually converse rather than spewing an agenda. There are great points made on all sides.
 
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#93
I still wonder how much or if it would have made a difference if we actually had a real S&C coach last year
 
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#95
This ain't hard folks. We have a lot of returning guys, we are just young in our depth.

If you would like to count the receivers, it's eye popping

Official Football Roster - University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site

Now add this


TEAM

TENNESSEE 2017

Tennessee 2017 recruiting class

Position Name Rank Hometown
5-star OT Trey Smith 4 Jackson, Tenn.
3-star LB Shanon Reid 40 Fort Myers, Fla.
3-star OT Riley Locklear 61 Huntington, W.Va.
3-star DE Deandre Johnson 45 Miami
3-star QB Will McBride 28 League City, Texas
4-star RB Ty Chandler 5 Nashville, Tenn.
4-star S Maleik Gray 10 La Vergne, Tenn.
4-star DT Eric Crosby 12 Virginia Beach, Va.
4-star LB Will Ignont 16 New Market, Ala.
3-star WR Jordan Murphy 50 Hattiesburg, Miss.
3-star CB Cheyenne Labruzza 44 Albany, La.
3-star DT Matthew Butler 36 Garner, N.C.
3-star DE LaTrell Bumphus 26 Savannah, Tenn.
3-star DT Kivon Bennett 40 Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
3-star CB Terrell Bailey 49 Marrero, La.
3-star S Theo Jackson 37 Nashville, Tenn.
3-star DE Marquez Bembry 39 Atlanta
3-star LB Solon Page III 38 Marietta, Ga.
3-star RB Trey Coleman 44 West Monroe, La.
3-star OT K’Rojhn Calbert 62 McMinnville, Tenn.
3-star DE Ryan Thaxton 40 Alexandria, Va.
3-star WR Princeton Fant 124 La Vergne, Tenn.
3-star WR Jacquez Jones 133 Clearwater, Fla.
3-star CB Shawn Shamburger 109 Moultrie, Ga.
3-star K Brent Cimaglia 3 Franklin, Tenn.
3-star TE James Brown 71 Orlando, Fla.
3-star RB Timothy Jordan 111 Bartow, Fla.
3-star WR Joshua PalmerWe


Edit: stupid phones
 
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Freak said:
As much as I hate to see Dobbs leave, I'm excited about the upcoming quarterback battle. It should make for a fun spring.
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I too look forward to the competition and hope that the quality of play makes the decision on a starter difficult. Yes, I'd like three QBs seeing the field, making good decisions, throwing lasers to receives in the flats and beautiful arches to WRs sprinting down the sidelines. IMHO, the best problem to have would be all QBs on the roster ready to start, even if it means someone transfers before their eligibility is up.

Admittedly, for me, the long off-season is a time for revery, orange Nehi-fueled dreams of over achievement and future grid-iron glory. Oh well, Spring training should give us a glimpse of reality soon enough.
 
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Freak said:
I've been in the camp that I don't think the 2017 team will be as bad as most think if we can find our quarterback early on. There's plenty of talent on this roster, which includes two top ten recruiting classes, to be in the hunt for Atlanta



Or the same depth that beat Florida and Georgia. The Vandy crap has to be corrected, though. There's absolutely no excuse for losing to those guys twice. That's the biggest black mark on Butch's resume, in my opinion.


Nor does your interpretation of past evidence predict the future. As they say on the brokerage commercials, past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.
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Yes, yes and yes.
 
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sjt18 said:
Are you trying to be facetious? There are 7 returning scholarship WR's if you count Byrd and only one, Jennings, has done anything in the SEC. Then... UT adds 3 3* WR's... and that is "eye popping"?
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I wouldn't discount Josh Smith. He's a solid wideout.
 
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All right I'm somewhere were I can do this real quick for you guys.


2017 Tennessee Football Roster
Coaches

No. Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Class Hometown/High School/Last College
1 Jonathan Kongbo DL 6-6 270 RS JR Surrey, B.C./Holy Cross H.S./Arizona Western
2 Jarrett Guarantano QB 6-4 205 SO Lodi, N.J./Bergen Catholic
2 Shy Tuttle DL 6-2 311 JR Midway, N.C./North Davidson
3 Marquill Osborne DB 5-11 188 SO Cornelius, N.C./William Amos Hough
4 John Kelly RB 5-9 212 JR Detroit, Mich./Oak Park
5 Kyle Phillips DL 6-4 259 JR Nashville, Tenn./Hillsboro
7 Rashaan Gaulden DB 6-1 185 RS JR Spring Hill, Tenn./Independence
7 Will McBride QB 6-1 195 FR League City, Texas/Clear Springs
8 Justin Martin DB 6-1 183 SR Antioch, Tenn./Overton/Northeast Oklahoma A&M
8 Latrell Williams WR 5-11 175 SO Lake City, Fla./Columbia
9 Marquez Callaway WR 6-2 190 SO Warner Robins, Ga./Warner Robins
10 Tyler Byrd WR 6-0 195 SO Naples, Fla./Naples
11 Austin Smith DL 6-3 236 JR Buford, Ga./Buford
12 Quinten Dormady QB 6-4 216 JR Boerne, Texas/Boerne
12 Emmanuel Moseley DB 5-11 180 SR Greensboro, N.C./Dudley
13 Deandre Johnson DL 6-4 235 FR Miami, Fla./Miami Southridge
13 Sheriron Jones QB 6-2 208 RS SO Perris, Calif./Rancho Verde
14 Zac Jancek QB 6-4 214 RS SO Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Catholic
14 Quart'e Sapp LB 6-2 220 RS SO Alpharetta, Ga./Milton
15 Jauan Jennings WR 6-3 205 JR Murfreesboro, Tenn./Blackman
17 Dillon Bates LB 6-3 220 RS JR Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla./Ponte Vedra
17 Brandon Johnson WR 6-2 180 SO Plantation, Fla./American Heritage
18 Nigel Warrior DB 6-0 186 SO Duluth, Ga./Peachtree Ridge
19 Jeff George WR 6-6 195 RS SR Leavenworth, Kan./Leavenworth Senior/Dodge City C.C.
19 Darrell Taylor DL 6-4 240 RS SO Waverly, Va./Hopewell
20 Cortez McDowell LB 6-0 235 SR Locust Grove, Ga./Locust Grove
21 Shanon Reid LB 6-0 205 FR Lehigh Acres, Fla./Dunbar
22 Micah Abernathy DB 6-0 195 JR Atlanta, Ga./Greater Atlanta Christian
24 Todd Kelly Jr. DB 5-11 208 SR Knoxville, Tenn./Webb School
25 Aaron Medley PK 6-2 194 SR Lewisburg, Tenn./Marshall County
25 Josh Smith WR 6-1 213 RS SR Knoxville, Tenn./Christian Academy of Knoxville
26 Stephen Griffin DB 6-2 205 JR Charlotte, N.C./South Mecklenburg
26 Ben Powlas WR 6-5 205 SO Dickson, Tenn./Dickson County
27 Carlin Fils-aime RB 5-11 175 SO Naples, Fla./Naples
28 Baylen Buchanan DB 5-11 190 SO Lawrenceville, Ga./Peachtree Ridge
28 Will Martinez WR 5-8 184 JR Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Catholic
29 Evan Berry DB 5-11 207 SR Fairburn, Ga./Creekside
30 Holden Foster PK 6-0 205 RS SR Dickson, Tenn./Dickson County/Sewanee
30 Devin Williams DB 5-8 184 RS SR Knoxville, Tenn./Austin-East
31 Parker Henry H 6-1 185 RS JR Hendersonville, Tenn./Beech Senior
31 Stedman Love RB 5-8 175 SO Knoxville, Tenn./Karns
33 MaLeik Gatewood DB 5-10 193 RS SO Memphis, Tenn./Memphis University School
34 Darrin Kirkland Jr. LB 6-1 230 JR Indianapolis, Ind./Lawrence Central
35 Daniel Bituli LB 6-3 235 SO Antioch, Tenn./Nashville Christian
35 Taeler Dowdy RB 6-1 185 SO Murfreesboro, Tenn./Blackman
36 Gavin Bryant LB 6-0 238 RS JR Jackson, Ala./Jackson
36 Grayson Linde P 6-1 180 SO Brentwood, Tenn./Ravenwood
37 Jayson Sparks RB 5-7 187 RS JR Loganville, Ga./Grayson
37 Charles West DB 6-2 170 SO Nashville, Tenn./Montgomery Bell Academy
38 D.J. Henderson DB 6-1 180 SR Lyman, S.C./James F. Byrnes/Dodge City C.C. (Kansas)
38 Jaye Rochell WR 6-2 210 RS SR Duluth, Ga./Wesleyan School
39 Alex Jones H 5-5 139 RS SO Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Catholic
39 Kendal Vickers DL 6-3 295 RS SR Havelock, N.C./Havelock
40 Dimarya Mixon DL 6-4 260 SR Compton, Calif./West Mesquite (Texas)
41 Elliott Berry LB 5-11 222 SR Fairburn, Ga./Creekside
42 Chip Omer RB 6-0 200 SO Nashville, Tenn./Christ Presbyterian Academy
43 Matt Ballard LB 6-1 215 SO Clarksville, Tenn./Clarksville
43 Laszlo Toser PK 5-8 181 RS SO Ooltewah, Tenn./Ooltewah
44 Jakob Johnson TE 6-3 250 SR Stuttgart, Germany/Jean Ribault (Fla.)
46 Riley Lovingood LS 6-0 209 RS SO Hendersonville, Tenn./Beech Senior
46 DaJour Maddox LB 5-11 210 RS SO Stone Mountain, Ga./Druid Hills
47 Landon Knoll LB 6-3 217 RS SO Nashville, Tenn./Father Ryan
48 Ja'Quain Blakely LB 6-2 230 SO Moultrie, Ga./Colquitt County
50 Venzell Boulware OL 6-3 306 RS SO Union City, Ga./Creekside
51 Drew Richmond OL 6-5 301 RS SO Memphis, Tenn./Memphis University School
52 Andrew Butcher DL 6-2 257 RS SO Alpharetta, Ga./Alpharetta
52 Elijah Medford LS 5-9 203 RS JR Burlington, N.C./Walter Williams
53 Colton Jumper LB 6-2 224 SR Lookout Mountain, Tenn./Baylor School/The Hun School (NJ)
55 Quay Picou DL 6-1 277 JR Sugar Hill, Ga./Buford
55 Coleman Thomas OL 6-5 301 SR Max Meadows, Va./Fort Chiswell
56 Riley Locklear OL 6-5 295 FR Huntington, W. Va./Spring Valley
57 Nathan Niehaus OL 6-6 295 SO Cincinnati, Ohio/Colerain
59 Jake Yelich LS 6-2 225 SO Crown Point, Ind./Crown Point
60 Austin Sanders OL 6-5 310 RS SR Cleveland, Tenn./Bradley Central
63 Brett Kendrick OL 6-6 318 RS SR Knoxville, Tenn./Christian Academy of Knoxville
64 Logan Punch LS 6-0 230 SO Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Catholic
64 Tommy Sprague OL 6-3 295 SO Alpharetta, Ga./Alpharetta HS
66 Jack Jones OL 6-4 307 JR Murfreesboro, Tenn./Oakland
67 Joe Keeler OL 6-6 275 RS SO Arden, N.C./Christ School
68 Marcus Tatum OL 6-6 265 SO Ormond Beach, Fla./Mainland
69 Brian Garvey OL 6-4 295 SO Brentwood, Tenn./Brentwood Academy
70 Ryan Johnson OL 6-6 275 SO Brentwood, Tenn./Brentwood Academy
73 Trey Smith OL 6-6 313 FR Humboldt, Tenn./University School of Jackson
75 Jashon Robertson OL 6-3 305 SR Nashville, Tenn./Montgomery Bell Academy
76 Chance Hall OL 6-4 318 JR Roanoke, Va./Northside
77 Devante Brooks OL 6-5 255 SO Bowie, Md./St. John's College (D.C.) HS
78 Charles Mosley DL 6-4 340 RS JR Brighton, Tenn./Brighton
79 Thomas Edwards OL 6-4 315 RS SR Kingsport, Tenn./Dobyns-Bennett
80 Eli Wolf TE 6-4 216 RS SO Minster, Ohio/Minster
81 Austin Pope TE 6-4 230 SO Knoxville, Tenn./Christian Academy of Knoxville
82 Ethan Wolf TE 6-6 245 SR Minster, Ohio/Minster
83 BJ Bishop WR 5-10 180 SO Nashville, Tenn./Father Ryan
85 Thomas Orradre WR 6-2 205 RS JR San Luis Obispo, Calif./San Luis Obispo
86 Andrew Craig TE 6-5 245 SO Knoxville, Tenn./Webb School
87 Logan Fetzner WR 5-9 182 RS SR Cleveland, Tenn./Bradley Central
88 Brandon Benedict DL 6-2 260 SO Nashville, Tenn./Father Ryan
89 Will Jumper TE 6-2 206 RS SO Lookout Mountain, Tenn./Baylor School
93 Trevor Daniel P 6-1 248 RS SR Dickson, Tenn./Dickson County
94 Mykelle McDaniel DL 6-3 220 SO Loganville, Ga./Grayson
96 Joey Cave DL 6-5 285 SO Knoxville, Tenn./Hardin Valley Academy
97 Paul Bain DL 6-5 290 RS JR Powder Springs, Ga./Hillgrove/Tusculum
97 Jackson Morris PK 5-9 165 SO Hendersonville, Tenn./Pope John Paul II
98 Alexis Johnson DL 6-4 295 SR Atlanta, Ga./Mount Zion/Fort Scott C.C. (Kansas)
99 Reginald Kahlil McKenzie Jr. DL 6-3 325 JR Walnut Creek, Calif./Clayton Valley Charter School

5-star OT Trey Smith 4 Jackson, Tenn.
3-star LB Shanon Reid 40 Fort Myers, Fla.
3-star OT Riley Locklear 61 Huntington, W.Va.
3-star DE Deandre Johnson 45 Miami
3-star QB Will McBride 28 League City, Texas
4-star RB Ty Chandler 5 Nashville, Tenn.
4-star S Maleik Gray 10 La Vergne, Tenn.
4-star DT Eric Crosby 12 Virginia Beach, Va.
4-star LB Will Ignont 16 New Market, Ala.
3-star WR Jordan Murphy 50 Hattiesburg, Miss.
3-star CB Cheyenne Labruzza 44 Albany, La.
3-star DT Matthew Butler 36 Garner, N.C.
3-star DE LaTrell Bumphus 26 Savannah, Tenn.
3-star DT Kivon Bennett 40 Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
3-star CB Terrell Bailey 49 Marrero, La.
3-star S Theo Jackson 37 Nashville, Tenn.
3-star DE Marquez Bembry 39 Atlanta
3-star LB Solon Page III 38 Marietta, Ga.
3-star RB Trey Coleman 44 West Monroe, La.
3-star OT K’Rojhn Calbert 62 McMinnville, Tenn.
3-star DE Ryan Thaxton 40 Alexandria, Va.
3-star WR Princeton Fant 124 La Vergne, Tenn.
3-star WR Jacquez Jones 133 Clearwater, Fla.
3-star CB Shawn Shamburger 109 Moultrie, Ga.
3-star K Brent Cimaglia 3 Franklin, Tenn.
3-star TE James Brown 71 Orlando, Fla.
3-star RB Timothy Jordan 111 Bartow, Fla.


That's a barn full of receivers.
 
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