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Hubbard said:
Point out what the win/loss record will be this year.
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Probably 8 wins. Thats including another bowl win over a mid tier BIG Ten team

8-5

Losses to UF, Georgia, LSU, Bama, and a kick in the nuts loss to Georgia Tech to start off the season

That is if Butch can get over the 0-3 hump versus Muschamp and get above .500 against Vandy

If he loses again to SC and Vandy, its 5-7 and no bowl game. Then you all can blame the negas for not holding more Kumbaya sessions
 
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CountVolcula said:
Probably 8 wins. Thats including another bowl win over a mid tier BIG Ten team

8-5

Loses to UF, Georgia, LSU, Bama, and a kick in the nuts lose to Georgia Tech to start off the season

That is if Butch can get over the 0-3 hump versus Muschamp and get above .500 against Vandy

If he loses again to SC and Vandy, its 5-7 and no bowl game. Then you all can blame the negas for not holding more Kumbaya sessions
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That would suggest no SEC-E.

Winning the East is where I think we should be.

What is your position on the year? Win the East to be happy? Win the SEC to be happy? Win the NC to be happy? Crash and burn and hire a new staff to be happy?
 
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CountVolcula said:
Probably 8 wins. Thats including another bowl win over a mid tier BIG Ten team

8-5

Losses to UF, Georgia, LSU, Bama, and a kick in the nuts loss to Georgia Tech to start off the season

That is if Butch can get over the 0-3 hump versus Muschamp and get above .500 against Vandy

If he loses again to SC and Vandy, its 5-7 and no bowl game. Then you all can blame the negas for not holding more Kumbaya sessions
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I feel like GT typically loses their home opener, bowl game, and average to better teams who have a BYE before them.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Wow, look at the depth. This ain't no BS depth either. This is quality depth. Look at the positional needs met.

Two HUGE TE's. A barn full of smaller speedsters that spread out the field. A down field target in that receiver from canada, and defensive field that can basically switch out every down, and that QB... don't know the kid, but he has pro style attack written all over him. The game is about to change for UT. No more highschool running backs as QB's.
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Where did you get those glasses?
 
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Hubbard said:
That would suggest no SEC-E.

Winning the East is where I think we should be.

What is your position on the year? Win the East to be happy? Win the SEC to be happy? Win the NC to be happy? Crash and burn and hire a new staff to be happy?
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I'm good with baby steps

Win the East

Make a good game of it in the SECCG

Build on that with a Top 5 recruiting class


The bad thing is he failed miserably at winning the East already when it was all but in the bag. My confidence in him was tepid already.

This class wont help matters coming up the next 2 years, unless they all turn out to be diamonds in the rough. That is highly unlikely. We may get a 1/3 that play well above their ranking

That is the core of your 2020 class. If Butch gets fired before then, that hamstrings the next head coach and we are once again in rebuilding mode
 
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CountVolcula said:
I'm good with baby steps

Win the East

Make a good game of it in the SECCG

Build on that with a Top 5 recruiting class


The bad thing is he failed miserably at winning the East already when it was all but in the bag. My confidence in him was tepid already.

This class wont help matters coming up the next 2 years, unless they all turn out to be diamonds in the rough. That is highly unlikely. We may get a 1/3 that play well above their ranking

That is the core of your 2020 class. If Butch gets fired before then, that hamstrings the next head coach and we are once again in rebuilding mode
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I don't disagree on anything you said other than the hamstring thought.

While this class is not in the top ten, it is still not a class we will need to rebuild. If we have a new coach next year, he should be of a quality to overcome a class that dipped below the top ten.

Otherwise, I think you are on point with my summary thoughts.
 
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chargervol said:
I'm not sold on Jones but it's obvious that I'm not a fan of anything I don't find untruthful or in this case (in perspective)
Jones is sub 500 because of the dumpster fire year.
He is 500 in the last 3 and something like 9-7 last 2.
Then 500 again last year.

Last year and even 9-7 are enough to make a case against him. The whole sub 5oo using the first year is iffy.

Reminds me of year 3 when everyone was screaming same record as Dooley but only after our hardest stretch. Then of course, he had a much better record by the end of the season. And no one wanted to compare records anymore.

Just like the rankings with MWA, "negavols" have a real legitimate argument. But anything that embellishes, exaggerates or is unnecessary spin, causes me to be less open to their point of view.
You are being honest about the record but no AD is going to include that 1st year in any decision.
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Charger, no argument. However, there is a place and time for everything and Mother****ing this class before they ever step foot on campus is absolutely uncalled for.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Charger, no argument. However, there is s place and time for everything and Mother****ing this class before they ever step foot on campus is absolutely uncalled for.
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Oh, absolutely agree.
Some of these guys will be beasts, always are. So I would never bash one of them, much less all of them.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Wait. So you basically think that system used in college football player ranking is some sort of 'magic' that you don't quite understand or trust?
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So maybe you can answer this for me. I posted it in another thread and got no answer.

Section N Row 5 said:
So, serious question for someone to answer:

Jordan Murphy has a composite rank of 3 Star and the number 50 wr in this class.
And had Offers from Alabama, Auburn, Cal, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St. and Tennessee

ESPN........3 Star and 83 wr (79 grade, 80 grade is 4 star)
247Sports. 4 Star and 30 wr
Rivials.......4 Star and 28 wr
Scout.......3 Star and 76 wr

So, did one group (Rivials and 247Sports) see something the others (Scout and ESPN) didn’t or maybe he wasn’t looked at as much as others?
Is he a 4 star or a 3 star?
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Big difference between the number 28 WR in a class and the number 83 WR
 
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countvolcula said:
i'm good with baby steps

win the east

make a good game of it in the seccg

build on that with a top 5 recruiting class


the bad thing is he failed miserably at winning the east already when it was all but in the bag. My confidence in him was tepid already.

This class wont help matters coming up the next 2 years, unless they all turn out to be diamonds in the rough. That is highly unlikely. We may get a 1/3 that play well above their ranking

that is the core of your 2020 class. If butch gets fired before then, that hamstrings the next head coach and we are once again in rebuilding mode
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sos.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I really liked his film. He needs just a little strength and weight to become dangerous WR.
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I agree. The problem is not every kid gets the same look from a service. I was involved with my nephew and meeting many parents during that time. It is a game to get a kid noticed and rated. There are way to many kids for the services to see. JMO
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
So maybe you can answer this for me. I posted it in another thread and got no answer.



Big difference between the number 28 WR in a class and the number 83 WR
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Dat Google is yo friend hoss:)

Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 247: Star rating systems explained

This is probably the best explanation of the rating systems that I've come across. Scout rates a player in reference to his peers, so that's why you get a much different rating than the other systems which rate players on a fixed scale.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Dat Google is yo friend hoss:)

Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 247: Star rating systems explained

This is probably the best explanation of the rating systems that I've come across. Scout rates a player in reference to his peers, so that's why you get a much different rating than the other systems which rate players on a fixed scale.
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I think I know my way around that internet thingy and being "on the line" :)

I do understand. so what is he rated 3 star or 4 star?

Yes I understand the composite and how they come up with it. But the question is who done the evaluation? Is it someone from scout that is overloaded and just didn't get to the kid or someone that had plenty of time to watch the kid.

Like I said in another post, I've seen kids and talked to parents in this process. What is the difference between a kid rated 79 on ESPN and one rated 80. Yes I know it is 1 but one is a 4 star and one is a 3 star. ESPN has 7 kids rated a 79 for UT.

Is it the evaluation of the kid in person or someone sitting at a desk looking at a small sample of tape. Which is more accurate.
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
I think I know my way around that internet thingy and being "on the line" :)

I do understand. so what is he rated 3 star or 4 star?

Yes I understand the composite and how they come up with it. But the question is who done the evaluation? Is it someone from scout that is overloaded and just didn't get to the kid or someone that had plenty of time to watch the kid.

Like I said in another post, I've seen kids and talked to parents in this process. What is the difference between a kid rated 79 on ESPN and one rated 80. Yes I know it is 1 but one is a 4 star and one is a 3 star. ESPN has 7 kids rated a 79 for UT.

Is it the evaluation of the kid in person or someone sitting at a desk looking at a small sample of tape. Which is more accurate.
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Other than taking the star rating, and averaging it, you aren't going to be able to take their scores from the multiple ratings services, and get a true composite because of the difference in how how they each generate the ratings.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Other than taking the star rating, and averaging it, you aren't going to be able to take their scores from the multiple ratings services, and get a true composite because of the difference in how how they each generate the ratings.
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Maybe I'm not making myself clear.
I guess my point is the same service would come up with a different rating with the possibility of a different evaluation. Again using ESPN, how much difference is there in talent between a 79 and 80. Is the 80 that much better than the 79? Yeah because you get another star?

If I'm the one doing the evaluation, how hard do I push for a kid or do I cave in to someone else.

Here is a quote from ESPN's national recruiting director Tom Luginbill
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"You are making a projection like every college coach in America," Luginbill says. "What you are trying to do is make a projection based on the information you have, the expertise at your disposal and the knowledge.

"I say this all the time to our staff 'Don't be afraid to be wrong because you're going to be.'"

"What we are generally going to do is under-grade guys...it's one of the reasons why you see us without many five-star prospects," Luginbill says. "We try to err on the side of caution. If we are going to call a guy a five-star we better feel pretty confident that number one athletically he can fit the bill, and number two, that he has minimal or no red flags that can interfere with him maximizing his potential."
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Don't get me wrong, I think we should only have the best players, the more 4 and 5 stars the better. I just think there is a lot of difference between the services now.

UT's best recruit is the #1 player overall on ESPN, #5 on 247, #29 on Scout and #49 on Rivals. Just a big range between them.
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
Maybe I'm not making myself clear.
I guess my point is the same service would come up with a different rating with the possibility of a different evaluation. Again using ESPN, how much difference is there in talent between a 79 and 80. Is the 80 that much better than the 79? Yeah because you get another star?

If I'm the one doing the evaluation, how hard do I push for a kid or do I cave in to someone else.

Here is a quote from ESPN's national recruiting director Tom Luginbill
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To quote ESPN's explanation of their 70-79 rating

Players closer to a 79 rating possess BCS-caliber ability and the potential to be a quality starter or all-conference player

The key factor according to their reasoning in keeping a kid in the 79 range, and not bumping him into the 80's is consistency in dominant performance which would make sense. If you think back to the 3-star athletes that we've watched the last few years, some of them have performed some amazing athletics at moments, but very few of them have been consistent in those athletic performances from game to game.
 
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BeardedVol said:
To quote ESPN's explanation of their 70-79 rating

Players closer to a 79 rating possess BCS-caliber ability and the potential to be a quality starter or all-conference player

The key factor according to their reasoning in keeping a kid in the 79 range, and not bumping him into the 80's is consistency in dominant performance which would make sense. If you think back to the 3-star athletes that we've watched the last few years, some of them have performed some amazing athletics at moments, but very few of them have been consistent in those athletic performances from game to game.
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Sorry, I edited my post to add our best recruit as an example.
 
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BeardedVol said:
To quote ESPN's explanation of their 70-79 rating

Players closer to a 79 rating possess BCS-caliber ability and the potential to be a quality starter or all-conference player

The key factor according to their reasoning in keeping a kid in the 79 range, and not bumping him into the 80's is consistency in dominant performance which would make sense. If you think back to the 3-star athletes that we've watched the last few years, some of them have performed some amazing athletics at moments, but very few of them have been consistent in those athletic performances from game to game.
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So going back to my first example, Murphy is Tied for the 3rd highest rated recruit we signed according to Rivals.

He is a 91 on 247

97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation. This prospect will be an impact-player for his college team. He is an All-American candidate who is projected to play professionally.
 
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