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SSVol said:
Over a team of Dooley selected 4*s? Yes.

I didn't say that would win the league, nor do I say, it's what I prefer.
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Dooley shouldn't be the baseline for anything. Comparing to him isn't going to help us at all
 
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chargervol said:
I'm not sure I would call a 'good depth class' hypocrisy for having needed more depth. Almost seems to go together.
Immediate impact player means being a starter from the get-go. That's the exact opposite of late season backups.

Lot of spin in the wording of that post, should get you many likes on here.
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Based on what I saw the 2016 "depth" do against VU and SC, I'd say that wee need a hell of a lot more than more depth. We need guys who can play over what we currently have. We haven't got many of those kind of commits and just about every thread in this forum is trying to tamp down any expectation that we will get them.
 
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SSVol said:
I would take a team full of Bob Welton selected 3* over a team of Dooley 4*. Jelly was 3* and looked as good as Hurd (when he cared) and Kamara. As has been said several times, this class isn't optimal, but I doubt it is even remotely close to KY.
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What Bob Welton 3stars have turned out to be great players?

JKelly sure seems like he is heading that way but I can't think of any other consensus 3-stars that we would say were great players.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Based on what I saw the 2016 "depth" do against VU and SC, I'd say that wee need a hell of a lot more than more depth. We need guys who can play over what we currently have. We haven't got many of those kind of commits and just about every thread in this forum is trying to tamp down any expectation that we will get them.
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That's fine, but not what you said.

You said:
It's hypocrisy for people to say we lost due to lack of depth but be ok with a "depth class".
That's not hypocrisy at all.

I'm fine with the post I'm quoting right now but it has nothing to do with the accusations you made in your previous post.
 
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CV, I'll take what you posted at face value and clarify that my intent in my initial post was to state that it appears that we are backing up guys who couldn't win against the lowest level of competition in this conference with guys who are not ready to play in this conference and I question the sincerity of anyone who states that we're going to win conference championships following that sort formula.
 
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This level of recruiting is unlikely to win championships, and everyone knows it, including Butch.

You can whine about it, if that makes you feel better, or we can see how they develop and hope the next class is awesome.

One class will not make or break you, but two in a row gets troublesome real quick
 
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McGeesPub said:
l don't agree with this at all. Well, the second part anyway. Don't think Butch is fired regardless.
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What makes you think '18 can't eclipse '16?

At the end of the '15 season I sat down and looked at the talent we had returning and thought ok our ceiling for '16 is likely 10 wins, plus/minus 2. A few months later I decided we would have a small decline in '17, but based on the depth Butch had built, with more talented 1st string across the board, '18 could surely be a championship year.

Why do you think not?
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
This level of recruiting is unlikely to win championships, and everyone knows it, including Butch.

You can whine about it, if that makes you feel better, or we can see how they develop and hope the next class is awesome.

One class will not make or break you, but two in a row gets troublesome real quick
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Agreed. Too early to say where last years class falls but if those guys don't develop we could already be at those back to back type classes
 
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SSVol said:
You are dead set on missing the point aren't you?
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It was pointless. You listed one guy tommake your whole argument. Hell, I was one of the leaders of the JK fan club in his thread. Who else? What's the point is comparing to Dooley?
 
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BruinVol said:
What Bob Welton 3stars have turned out to be great players?

JKelly sure seems like he is heading that way but I can't think of any other consensus 3-stars that we would say were great players.
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Medley, Gaulden, Jashaun Robertson, Ethan Wolf, Chance Hall, Owen Williams, and Elliot Berry are the only ones other than Kelly that I can recall making serious contributions.

Hall, Robertson, Gaulden, and Wolf probably have the best chances of being "great." Owen Williams was 4 star caliber by the time he left.

Meanwhile, J. Lewis, Darrell Miller, Kyle Oliver, J. Bruce, V. Perry, T. Townsend, M. Sawyers, T. Paulk, Joe Henderson, V. Wharton, N. Creamer, and R. Raulerson have all left the program.

3 stars ain't where it's at.

*- Did not look at 2013 to avoid the debate over Dooley/Butch recruit.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
CV, I'll take what you posted at face value and clarify that my intent in my initial post was to state that it appears that we are backing up guys who couldn't win against the lowest level of competition in this conference with guys who are not ready to play in this conference and I question the sincerity of anyone who states that we're going to win conference championships following that sort formula.
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I'm truly hoping that players develop still. Sucks many weren't ready last season. But, guys like Malone seemed improved and Kelly etc., seemed ready.
"Every team has injuries" makes for a great interweb retort but any serious fan knows we were well past the normal level.

It's not just that backups were thrown into the fire, but they were thrown into the fire together. Usually the backup is surrounded by experience to assist. We had the blind assisting the blind in too many areas. Let's see how they do when incorporated at normal pace.

But imo, we absolutely have to have better classes going forward.
 
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I spend a lot of time reading this recruiting thread and I don't say much. I will say this. Those that are in here thinking they are thread bouncers crack me up. That is all.

Well, that, and one more opinion. Average recruiting classes build average football teams. This class won't hurt us too bad but I would hate to think that we had two or three in a row.

I'm back quiet.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Medley, Gaulden, Jashaun Robertson, Ethan Wolf, Chance Hall, Owen Williams, and Elliot Berry are the only ones other than Kelly that I can recall making serious contributions.

Hall, Robertson, Gaulden, and Wolf probably have the best chances of being "great." Owen Williams was 4 star caliber by the time he left.

Meanwhile, J. Lewis, Darrell Miller, Kyle Oliver, J. Bruce, V. Perry, T. Townsend, M. Sawyers, T. Paulk, Joe Henderson, V. Wharton, N. Creamer, and R. Raulerson have all left the program.

3 stars ain't where it's at.

*- Did not look at 2013 to avoid the debate over Dooley/Butch recruit.
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Good post. Pretty sure Roberson, Gaulden and wolf weren't consensus 3-stars but the point is made anyway. The success that butch has had so far has clearly been led by elite recruits and not Bob Weldons 3-stars.
 
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Is it time to start complaining about the 2017 Vols yet? I don't know. Not sure how being a nega vols works. Oh wait. I think I'll just keep an open mind, pull for the team and see what happens. This thread has me all confused.
 
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AV_12 said:
It was pointless. You listed one guy tommake your whole argument. Hell, I was one of the leaders of the JK fan club in his thread. Who else? What's the point is comparing to Dooley?
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It wasn't about Dooley, it was about 4 stars who weren't that good vs 3 stars who are. There is a reason that some of these 3 star guys have great offer lists and some of the 4 stars don't. According to many on this site, we would do better with Dooley 4 stars (because they are 4 stars) than with Welton 3 stars (because they are 3 stars). I disagree. I just used Kelly as an example, not a proof. I would far rather have Kelly than Marlin Lane, who if I recall, was a Dooley 4 star.
 
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