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#102
#102
Velo Vol said:
His cabinet doesn't scream populist.
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That's essentially my point.

He's just the elite who finally figured out how to beat all the other elites once and for all, and he will protect his elite interests and that of his cronies with the utmost zealotry. As with any elite.
 
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#103
#103
volprof said:
Then what?

Just an admirer of Putin's autocracy?
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Some of it was contrasting the projection of strength by a leader vs Obama. Trump wasn't alone in suggesting that. It was a mechanism of promoting the notion we should again be a strong influencer of international activity.

Putin said positive things about Trump and negative things about Hillary. Trump will hope on the "praise train" with ANYONE who agrees with him.

WRT to NATO - Typical Trump to say things his supporters will get on board with (NATO countries getting a free ride). Also typical Trump his negotiation style is to start at the extreme position then work towards the middle. I have no belief he doesn't value NATO or that he would try to weaken NATO.

He's had business relationships with Russia and in Russia. I can see where he has an incentive (conflict of interest) to consider those relationships. This is the only part I'm concerned about.


If we look at how Obama spoke of Iran pre-election, how he handled the Green Revolution there, the positive things he's said about them and the obsession he had with "normalizing" relations with him, the secret cash deliveries one could conclude he was an Iranian agent. Of course that would be nuts.
 
#104
#104
volinbham said:
Some of it was contrasting the projection of strength by a leader vs Obama. Trump wasn't alone in suggesting that. It was a mechanism of promoting the notion we should again be a strong influencer of international activity.

Putin said positive things about Trump and negative things about Hillary. Trump will hope on the "praise train" with ANYONE who agrees with him.

WRT to NATO - Typical Trump to say things his supporters will get on board with (NATO countries getting a free ride). Also typical Trump his negotiation style is to start at the extreme position then work towards the middle. I have no belief he doesn't value NATO or that he would try to weaken NATO.

He's had business relationships with Russia and in Russia. I can see where he has an incentive (conflict of interest) to consider those relationships. This is the only part I'm concerned about.


If we look at how Obama spoke of Iran pre-election, how he handled the Green Revolution there, the positive things he's said about them and the obsession he had with "normalizing" relations with him, the secret cash deliveries one could conclude he was an Iranian agent. Of course that would be nuts.
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Well, this is a pretty rational approach, and it's difficult to argue with it (at least for now). I admire that you at least acknowledge his "conflict of interest."

I haven't posted it in here yet, but I suggest at some point that you do some snooping around the interwebs concerning one Semyon Mogilivech.

All roads lead to Trump.
 
#105
#105
volprof said:
If this is all you have - basically to just call everything you disagree with "fake news" - you're playing a very weak hand in this debate. You will lose.
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This is going to be the right wing rallying cry for he next 4 years....if it's not pro Trump it's fake news, if it bashes Dems then it's the word of god

The brain washing of the right wing in this country has become laughable. Good luck without your insurance, food stamps....but at least you'll have your guns and your bibles
 
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#107
Sin City Vol said:
This is going to be the right wing rallying cry for he next 4 years....if it's not pro Trump it's fake news, if it bashes Dems then it's the word of god

The brain washing of the right wing in this country has become laughable. Good luck without your insurance, food stamps....but at least you'll have your guns and your bibles
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This isn't about the right wing. I'm a conservative myself, although evidently no one here will ever let me live down my liberal past.

I am, however, appalled at the actions of many "conservatives" on this matter. Just when I thought I was joining the "patriotic" party, half of them go and start kissing Putin's butt.

The world is upside down and needs fixing.
 
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#108
Sin City Vol said:
This is going to be the right wing rallying cry for he next 4 years....if it's not pro Trump it's fake news, if it bashes Dems then it's the word of god

The brain washing of the right wing in this country has become laughable. Good luck without your insurance, food stamps....but at least you'll have your guns and your bibles
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I pay for my insurance, but very seldom go to the doctor. I don't even know what a food stamp looks like. I pay for my guns, and have never considered using one on another human. I don't have a Bible of my own, but certainly understand why people want to believe in a higher power, and wish that I could have more faith. President Donald Trump! Yes.
 
#109
#109
volprof said:
This isn't about the right wing. I'm a conservative myself, although evidently no one here will ever let me live down my liberal past.

I am, however, appalled at the actions of many "conservatives" on this matter. Just when I thought I was joining the "patriotic" party, half of them go and start kissing Putin's butt.

The world is upside down and needs fixing.
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I agree it needs fixing unfortunately this election cycle there wasn't one nominee that can fix it. Trump may do some great things but the country is as divided as it's ever been. The right blames Obama and I get it but I blame Sarah Palin. She became the tea party queen and pushed for divide against the Obama administration. No one would come out and tell her to STFU and it all just escalated. I don't like Trump but I hope he does a good job
 
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Sin City Vol said:
This is going to be the right wing rallying cry for he next 4 years....if it's not pro Trump it's fake news, if it bashes Dems then it's the word of god

The brain washing of the right wing in this country has become laughable. Good luck without your insurance, food stamps....but at least you'll have your guns and your bibles
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At least recognize this description fit the left as well.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I pay for my insurance, but very seldom go to the doctor. I don't even know what a food stamp looks like. I pay for my guns, and have never considered using one on another human. I don't have a Bible of my own, but certainly understand why people want to believe in a higher power, and wish that I could have more faith. President Donald Trump! Yes.
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Well since many on here lump all liberals into one group then I do the same with conservatives. I know there are good hard working people on both sides of the aisle, just like their are lazy POS's who want to mooch off the government and blame others for their crappy lives.
 
#114
#114
I can hear Joe Buck complaining about fans who think he's against them anytime he just calls it like is and the opposing team makes a good play. Too much favoritism bias is evident in both sports and politics.
 
#115
#115
Lord, if this had been a Democrat that took advantage of the Kremlin's campaign, it would be the exact same thing. Stupid, nihilistic Democrats would be championing Wikileaks and the Kremlin, while disparaging their conservative brothers.

It just happened to be a Republican...this time. That's the only real difference.
 
#117
#117
Velo Vol said:
Are the Russian ties your biggest fear with Trump?
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At this point, yes. Because I'm worried our policy is made in Moscow first.

Up until Tillerson, however, I was more worried with the fact that he's just insane and has no clue what he's doing.
 
#118
#118
CBC News has a reporter doing inauguration coverage in Moscow. The gathering she's at they're watching some sort of Trump "cartoon."

LOL
 
#119
#119
Velo Vol said:
CBC News has a reporter doing inauguration coverage in Moscow. The gathering she's at they're watching some sort of Trump "cartoon."

LOL
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As they should.

He's Moscow's candidate, so what Moscow thinks will mean a lot to this presidency and to individual Americans as well, even though the latter will hardly have a clue.
 
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#120
In Trump We Trust: Inauguration prompts celebration in Russia

Reuters) - The Kremlin may have spent years reviling America, but Russians hoping Donald Trump will usher in a new era of detente marked his inauguration on Friday with parties and trinkets from commemorative coins to "matryoshka" nesting dolls in his image.

Washington was turned into a virtual fortress with an estimated 900,000 people -- backers and protesters -- descending on the capital. In London, anti-Trump activists draped a banner reading "Build Bridges Not Walls" from Tower Bridge. Protests were planned across western Europe on Friday and Saturday.

But according to Gennady Gudkov, a Putin critic and former lawmaker, Russia is in the grip of "Trumpomania", with state media giving the President-elect blanket air time at the expense of more mundane and sometimes depressing domestic news stories.

That, he said, was in part because the U.S. election, unlike elections in Russia, had been unpredictable. The Kremlin is hoping Trump will ease sanctions imposed over the annexation of Crimea, team up with Russia against Islamic State, and cut back NATO military activity near Russian borders.
 
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#121
newarkvol said:
In Trump We Trust: Inauguration prompts celebration in Russia

Reuters) - The Kremlin may have spent years reviling America, but Russians hoping Donald Trump will usher in a new era of detente marked his inauguration on Friday with parties and trinkets from commemorative coins to "matryoshka" nesting dolls in his image.

Washington was turned into a virtual fortress with an estimated 900,000 people -- backers and protesters -- descending on the capital. In London, anti-Trump activists draped a banner reading "Build Bridges Not Walls" from Tower Bridge. Protests were planned across western Europe on Friday and Saturday.

But according to Gennady Gudkov, a Putin critic and former lawmaker, Russia is in the grip of "Trumpomania", with state media giving the President-elect blanket air time at the expense of more mundane and sometimes depressing domestic news stories.

That, he said, was in part because the U.S. election, unlike elections in Russia, had been unpredictable. The Kremlin is hoping Trump will ease sanctions imposed over the annexation of Crimea, team up with Russia against Islamic State, and cut back NATO military activity near Russian borders.
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Just so I'm on the record for the 500th time, if and when Trump thinks he's finally paid his dues to Moscow, there will be hell to pay.

I was talking with my boss the other night (who agrees that Trump is a traitor), and we couldn't figure out which was more scary: Kremlin Don or Donny who finally thinks he's paid all his dues to the Kremlin?

Both are scary as heck.
 
#122
#122
Pelosi and Trump joking with one another.

Good god is that about to change.

It's almost surreal, just watching all this, because you know wholeheartedly what's to follow.
 
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