TrumPutinGate

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newarkvol said:
What Does Vladimir Putin See in Donald Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/...region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

Only a few salient quotes because.. you know reading IS hard.. ..conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer argued that Trump’s incendiary talk is an affront to elementary democratic decency and a breach of the boundaries of American political discourse.” “It takes decades, centuries, to develop ingrained norms of political restraint and self-control. But they can be undone in short order by a demagogue feeding a vengeful populism.

Norm Ornstein: I doubt they (Putin) thought he would win, but he would encourage or exacerbate divisions in the society, challenge many fundamental norms over his own narcissistic sociopathic views of himself and his entitlements, and break a lot of crockery without a second’s misgiving. His victories, with the GOP nomination and the election were unexpected icing on the cake.

Heather Conley- the director of the Europe Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (a center-right think tank):One of our conclusions was that the Kremlin seeks out political and economic forces which weaken the “West’s desirability, credibility and moral authority.” It does this to make Russia’s neighbors less interested in seeking to cooperate and integrate with Europe or the U.S., making them more dependent on Russia. It seeks to undermine NATO’s unity in the hopes of seeking a new grand bargain with the U.S. in which the U.S. will recognize Russia’s sphere of influence and will not interfere in its internal issues.
Against this backdrop, during the presidential campaign Mr. Trump was the only candidate that openly questioned America’s commitment to NATO and its commitment to defend the Baltic States. He was the only candidate who was not very critical of Russia’s actions in Ukraine and Syria and chose to reframe them in ways that were in sync with Russian policy. He has proposed a new relationship with Russia. In other words, based on Mr. Trump’s statements, his views appear to align with Russian interests.

Anne Applebaum Pulitzer prize winner:Gulag: A History:
“maybe we ought to abandon our obsession with ‘secrets’ and ‘spies’ and look at what is sitting in front of us.”
First, “Trump’s real estate empire relies, though we don’t know how much, on Russian money.”
Second, Applebaum writes, Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, spent many years working on behalf of the thuggish Russian-backed Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, who eventually fled his own country. Manafort maintains links to pro-Russian groups in Ukraine. His name appeared on a list of people who took large chunks of cash from Yanukovych. He hasn’t gone away — in fact, he has lived in Trump Tower. Third, according to Applebaum, “Trump operatives at the convention altered the Republican Party platform” to eliminate a call to provide arms to Ukrainians who are resisting a Russian takeover.Fourth: Throughout the campaign, Trump unquestioningly repeated slogans and conspiracy theories — “Obama invented ISIS” and “Hillary will start World War III” — lifted from Sputnik, the Russian propaganda website. Finally, Applebaum argues as evidence of Trump’s pro-Russia tilt that Trump is willing to risk serious conflict with China, to destroy U.S. relations with Mexico, to dismiss America’s closest allies in Europe and to downgrade NATO, our most important military alliance.
All this provides the basis for Applebaum’s conclusion: Trump doesn’t have to be a Manchurian candidate who has been hypnotized or recruited by foreign intelligence. It’s enough that he has direct and indirect links to a profoundly corrupt and violent foreign dictator, whose policies he admires, whose advisers he shares and whose slogans he uses. That’s kompromat enough for me.


Gary Jacobson, a political scientist at the University of California, San Diego:His shameless mendacity, narcissism, authoritarian instincts, inability to tolerate opposition or criticism, hostility to formal institutions and the media, vast ignorance of foreign and domestic issues, indifference to constitutional restraints and eagerness to whip up and exploit xenophobia and (barely disguised) racism. We might add his affection for authoritarian leaders and other tough guys. Have I left anything out? Probably. All of these characteristics lead him to say things and propose actions antithetical to democratic norms and standards.
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Good addition to the discussion.
 
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joevol320 said:
how is this incoherent? you post this wishlist of what you'd like to see com out on Trump all to justify hillary's loss and de-legitimatize the trump presidency.

i tell you it's all for nothing if hillary uses state servers and you say i'm incoherent.

maybe you should just post a weekly fan fiction stories on what you'd like to see happen to Trump.
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You are literally the most uniformed poster. Even the other Joevol wants to keep distance. That's not a knock on him. He is a good poster. Even the hard right guys think you are a moron. You should put yourself on block.
 
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tumscalcium said:
You're about to be labeled all sorts of things that don't make sense/you've imagined.


Good luck good sir.
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All of you by now know how I think about Trump, unless you've been living under a rock. I think he is a traitor, and I think that, in time, if the right people do their patriotic duty, murder will out.
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He had the decency to change it.
 
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Burger said:
I have respect for supervisors who will grind with his employees.
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One principle of leadership I've always tried to uphold is to never ask someone to do what I myself wouldn't be willing. Also, it's great for morale for employees to see the boss sweating it out in the trenches with them.

Yes, technically a manager should be the one visibly working less, at least physically, but I don't really have that option at my workplace. We're around 6-10 employees short.
 
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For clarity again, since there still seems to be some confusion, I did not call for Trump's assassination in my original post.

"Murder will out" is a common expression, but admittedly a bit tone deaf on my part.

Nonetheless, for a gang that champions themselves as all things that SJWs aren't, I swear some of you can be some of the most overly sensitive bunch of petunias I've ever encountered.
 
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Mr_Henley said:
I cleaned it up for you, professor.
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Are you talking about Donald Trump?

I'm sorry Republicans couldn't provide me with anything to vote for other than a populist Democrat.

You know, it's pretty funny. You can buy that a 70 year old man changes his political affiliation, evidently, yet you can't buy a man in his early 30s doing the same.

Sad!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is the most irresponsible thread I've seen on VN. No exaggeration.
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If you think me claiming he's a traitor without 100% proof is irresponsible, then fair enough.

However, if you think this thread itself and/or the investigations occurring into Trump's ties to Russia are irresponsible - which is what you seem to be suggesting as well - then you are out of line and need to get your perspective in order.

But, of course, I'm arguing with a Kremlinist, so what else should I expect from such.
 
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volprof said:
Investigators on the Trump-Russia Beat Should Talk to This Man | Mother Jones

And nothing to see here. Nothing to see here at all:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/...170119&nl=breaking-news&nlid=58569598&ref=cta
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appears you are correct in the bold (at least at this point)

It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself. It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November.
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The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said.
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volinbham said:
appears you are correct in the bold (at least at this point)
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Trust me, it's coming.

I guess you still think his bizarre affection for Putin is all just a mere coincidence.

In time, that will be dispelled.
 
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#94
I posted this elsewhere a couple weeks ago, but I think it fitting again today, of all days.

No, I'm not posting it as "evidence." Just that it's amusing. I think, however, that the reasons provided by the miniseries for how this was allowed to happen are uncanny. I couldn't agree more. The moral fabric of our society has been completely eroded, even by those who claim the "moral highground." A dark cynicism pervades, accompanied by a narcissistic emphasis on the individual and his needs before that of the community and the nation. A what can my country do for me, as opposed to what can I do for my country.

Art imitating life, or life imitating art?

The 1987 TV Miniseries That Predicted a Russian Takeover of America - POLITICO Magazine
 
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Velo Vol said:
Did you call Trump a populist?
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Yes.

He is a true popularis at heart. But he is not a believer in the people - it's merely show for political gain, as is the way of the populares.

He's simply the elite who figured out how to beat all the other elites.
 
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