Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

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Talk about a disappointment. ESPN released final top 300. At one point in time we either had or led for 5 of the top 21 players. Smith, Akers, Gibbs, Higgins and Hunter J
 
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Kingston Vol said:
That's not going to happen. Lol. No one is going to have that kind of power. What Haslam and Anderson want, they get. End of story.
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Well that seems to be the problem here. Haslam and Anderson can't agree.

LWS has said that UT needs strong leadership to keep the boosters in check. That's not unfathomable. It's happened before.

Time to bring in someone who wants to see UT at its best and prioritizes winning. Right now we prioritize facilities and booster precious little feelings.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Not having an AD has zero impact on Butch recruiting or hiring assistant coaches.
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The way you set up this statement, it is hard for me to tell if you are agreeing with me or not-- although you are making the same point as me.

I think having no AD has 0 impact on making assistant coach hires. I think it had some-- although limited-- impact on our ability to hire an OC. I think some teams have tried to use us not having an AD as further proof that Butch is on borrowed time when negative recruiting. The recruits don't inherently care about the AD situation though.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Here's my point: if this thing goes another two or three months, but the end result is a Blackburn or Fulmer hire, what is the gripe? That it took so long? Sure. But all that will die down quickly.
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Because it is indicative of a huge problem? The incompetence is the issue. Not having a cohesive and intelligent plan for this hire in place. It is systemic disfunction that seeps into all aspects of our athletics.
 
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jave36 said:
They don't believe athletics makes a university great. I promise you, the vast majority of the thousands of professors and administrators I worked with when I was in that industry ranged from neutral to outright hatred of the athletic programs. They resent that someone who coaches a silly game makes 10 times what one of the worldwide experts in early childhood education makes (for instance)
. And at almost every school, athletics takes away from academics as far as money goes (even at UT now, the AD isn't giving money to the school), so the culture in academia is not friendly toward athletics.

Bama isn't cranking out genius students or making breakthroughs in anything but sports. Most academicians think that's a bad thing.
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That is likely true. I am sure that there are administrators and professors at UT who do appreciate and enjoy athletics. The rest need to open their eyes. Attendance is up at schools who are excelling at athletics. They can also generate a great amount of revenue that does not go only to athletics.
 
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MockingVol said:
The way you set up this statement, it is hard for me to tell if you are agreeing with me or not-- although you are making the same point as me.

I think having no AD has 0 impact on making assistant coach hires. I think it had some-- although limited-- impact on our ability to hire an OC. I think some teams have tried to use us not having an AD as further proof that Butch is on borrowed time when negative recruiting. The recruits don't inherently care about the AD situation though.
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Recruits and assistant coaches don't care who is the AD. They care about who the coach is.

My gripe with the AD search has nothing to do with signing day or hiring coaches. My gripe is with the overall cluster that the UTAD has become.
 
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HankHill said:
It's only a big deal Bc you and volnation are in the unknown. which imo, is a good thing Bc it shows that powers that be are finally figuring out how to stop leaks. Like I've said earlier multiple memos were sent out to university employees about confidentially and media policy etc thanks to Haney.

THeres nothing that is being negatively affected Bc of this search.
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Nothing to see here...move along.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Here's my thing: I think it's pretty obvious they're forcing Hart out. Seems likely to me they've come to some sort of an agreement and they're fine with taking their time and allowing him to continue to call the shots for the time being.

I get that this thing has taken a while and that's kind of annoying, but the freak out over it seems a little unwarranted to me. If Butch were to, you know, take a job somewhere else out of the blue or something crazy, we've got an AD in place to make a hire. It's not like we'd miss out on anything because we'd have to Scramble to hire an AD first
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I think it's been said numerous times that Hart does not possess that authority, currently.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I absolutely disagree. Just because a person is 17 doesn't mean they can't recognize gross incompetence, or worse deliberate corruption. As a matter of fact you could say it would indicate a extreme lack of situational awareness or intelligence for a 16-17 year old to not recognize it she they see it. If a ref is bent, or just incompetent, he deserves absolutely no respect. They should be held to the highest standard.
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Whose place is it to "fight" for their team? Do they not have coaches? Many times, referees are not being well paid or are doing it for free. Not to mention, that in the long run, getting kicked out of a game or getting "T'd" up could be harmful for the team. Also, one story was from middle school. That is not 16 or 17 year old competitors (at least, I hope it isn't). There will always be some bad calls. There are also ways to speak to officials to try to get them to see it your way. That is also not to say that incompetence or assholiness should be the standard. But, there are many more times that players think that they are right, when they are not.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Nothing to see here...move along.
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Thank you for proving my point. You talk about how there is no "plan and no direction" when truth be told...you,me, or anyone (media especially) are making it obvious that they have no clue what's going on with search or lack thereof. Could it be a bad thing?...sure. But no one knows for certain but vol fans always love to paint everything like it's a disaster.
 
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Dust10 said:
I do think there is an over obsession with the AD situation on this board. It's almost like the administration has personally wronged people here with this.

I recognize I can literally do nothing to fix the situation, so I'll just continue on with my life until a hire is made.
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It's the leadership.

Or lack thereof
 
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drvenner said:
That is likely true. I am sure that there are administrators and professors at UT who do appreciate and enjoy athletics. The rest need to open their eyes. Attendance is up at schools who are excelling at athletics. They can also generate a great amount of revenue that does not go only to athletics.
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Society also once viewed athletic training and fostering of the competitive spirit just as essential to the development of well rounded human beings as any other form of education.

But attitudes have changed, and sports is more business than education now anyway.
 
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drvenner said:
That is likely true. I am sure that there are administrators and professors at UT who do appreciate and enjoy athletics. The rest need to open their eyes. Attendance is up at schools who are excelling at athletics. They can also generate a great amount of revenue that does not go only to athletics.
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For most professors if they aren't receiving money that they can use for their own research they resent what ever is receiving that money, but what they don't realize is the more successful athletics are the more money there is to go around
 
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VolsnCards5 said:
The article posted earlier made it seem like the AD situation was having an effect on the assistant hiring process.
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What article? Was it written by John Brice?

Edit: I guess you're talking about the article I linked earlier. I was linking it more for Dave Blackburn's bio. I don't know how that guy would know that assistant coaches were really asking about the next AD. Didn't seem to stop us from making a great hire for DB coach.
 
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Dust10 said:
I recognize there is a total leadership vacuum in this whole situation. I also recognize the futility in b******* about it constantly.
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The pie-on-the-face scenario, for the better part of the last decade, leads to constant *****ing from fans. Mostly I feel like people, including myself, wonder how these folks leading the charge of our beloved state school can be so incompetent/unprepared.
 
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Dust10 said:
I recognize there is a total leadership vacuum in this whole situation. I also recognize the futility in b******* about it constantly.
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It's also really the only thing that's going on over there right now that has much to do with football. Recruiting is a yawn, the new assistants are named either 30 seconds before there is an opening, or at a snails pace. Blame the news cycle.
 
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