To Protect and to Serve II

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tim said:
Right. You realize these cases are presented to a Grand Jury most of the time.
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I'll answer:

Grand juries, and all juries for that matter, are comprised of pro-cop sympathizers who believe that cops are omnipotent, omniscient, incapable of making mistakes and therfore exempt from punishment. The system is rigged and created as a means to control and enslave the populous by their evil, power-hungry overlords.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I'll answer:

Grand juries, and all juries for that matter, are comprised of pro-cop sympathizers who believe that cops are omnipotent, omniscient, incapable of making mistakes and therfore exempt from punishment. The system is rigged and created as a means to control and enslave the populous by their evil, power-hungry overlords.
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For DTH and Ras.

Not pocket change: Man delivers 298,745 pennies to DMV | Fox News

A Virginia man who had a beef with the Department of Motor Vehicles settled his sales tax bill with 298,745 pennies.

Workers at the DMV office in Lebanon, in rural southwestern Virginia, had to spend hours counting the pennies by hand when the coin-counting machine jammed.

Nick Stafford carted the pennies into the DMV in five wheelbarrows Wednesday. The coins weighed 1,600 pounds.
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Across the U.S., police contracts shield officers from scrutiny and discipline - www.reuters.com

Reuters, examining the fine print of 82 police union contracts in large cities across the country, found a pattern of protections afforded the men and women in blue:

  • A majority of the contracts call for departments to erase disciplinary records, some after just six months, making it difficult to fire officers with a history of abuses. In 18 cities, suspensions are erased in three years or less. In Anchorage, Alaska, suspensions, demotions and disciplinary transfers are removed after two years.
  • Nearly half of the contracts allow officers accused of misconduct to access the entire investigative file – including witness statements, GPS readouts, photos, videos and notes from the internal investigation – before being interrogated.
  • Twenty cities, including San Antonio, allow officers accused of misconduct to forfeit sick leave or holiday and vacation time rather than serve suspensions.
  • Eighteen cities require an officer’s written consent before the department publicly releases documents involving prior discipline or internal investigations.
  • Contracts in 17 cities set time limits for citizens to file complaints about police officers – some as short as 30 days. Nine cities restrict anonymous complaints from being investigated.
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Item #2 in particular seems indefensible. The explanation doesn't really help:

Glendale police defend their other contract protections. Among them: Officers under investigation get to see video footage that isn’t made available to citizens. Incidents involving police use of force can be emotional, and looking at video footage can help officers refresh their memory, police say.

“That way they know all the facts, there’s no witch hunting,” Harris said.

By contrast, he said, “You don’t want to let a witness review footage of something they may or may not have seen, because if they review that footage, then they’re going to come back and just tell you what they just saw. So that’s not an independent statement.”
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It seems to me that this either undermines the investigation regardless of whether the subject is a police officer or a regular citizen, or this should be a right afforded to everyone. I find this clear double-standard appalling.
 
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"STOP RESISTING!!! STOP RESISTING!!!!" :zeitung_lesen:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BCSxxaVaSc[/youtube]

#handsup #don'tbeatmeup
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
"STOP RESISTING!!! STOP RESISTING!!!!" :zeitung_lesen:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BCSxxaVaSc[/youtube]

#handsup #don'tbeatmeup
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of the officer's actions in that video.

You get the luxury of knowing everything about that call, the vehicle, its owner, who's driving it, whether they have weapons, what the driver's intentions are when he exits his vehicle (don't do that by the way), that he is actually the owner of that vehicle, that is was never broken into, and that the caller mistook something in his hand as a slim-jim or another device to break into the car.

The LEO's didn't know anything other than that vehicle, with that tag, was reported to have been broken into and then driven from the scene.

#ArmchairQB
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with any of the officer's actions in that video.

You get the luxury of knowing everything about that call, the vehicle, its owner, who's driving it, whether they have weapons, what the driver's intentions are when he exits his vehicle (don't do that by the way), that he is actually the owner of that vehicle, that is was never broken into, and that the caller mistook something in his hand as a slim-jim or another device to break into the car.

The LEO's didn't know anything other than that vehicle, with that tag, was reported to have been broken into and then driven from the scene.

#ArmchairQB
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Man, the guy got of the car (agreed, not the smartest thing to do with trigger happy cops) and had both hands clearly up in the air. Then some dumbazz ran and tackled him down and the beating began.
 
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If the guy really did appear to have a weapon of some kind, would that dumbazz have ran towards him to tackle him? Is that the new cop training technique... to charge and form tackle citizens if the cops think the citizen is an armed threat?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Man, the guy got of the car (agreed, not the smartest thing to do with trigger happy cops) and had both hands clearly up in the air. Then some dumbazz ran and tackled him down and the beating began.
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Again, nothing wrong with any of the officer's actions.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What justified that dumbazz to run up and tackle the guy? Is that part of police training? Do you normally do that to armed citizens as well, or just unarmed citizens?
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They were responding to a possible felony in progress and conducted a felony stop on the vehicle. Felony stops are conducted the same way every time; all parties in the vehicle are brought out at gunpoint, while officers (at least three) give verbal commands from their patrol cars, subjects are ordered out individually, one at a time, and ordered to walk backwards, towards the patrol car, taken into custody, and then arrested or released, if/when necessary. If verbal commands are not complied with, our response increases. Could it have been done differently, sure, but I have no problem with how that went down.

Again, we have no idea what's inside that car, who the driver is, or what their intentions are
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Again, we have no idea what's inside that car, who the driver is, or what their intentions are
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So the smart thing to do, as an officer in that situation, is to charge the citizen?
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Plus, it is interesting that there is usually a presumption of innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, but with cops, they are trained to assume that all potential felony calls have a guilty felon involved, even when the guy is clearly out of the vehicle with both hands open and up in the air...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So the smart thing to do, as an officer in that situation, is to charge the citizen?
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Plus, it is interesting that there is usually a presumption of innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, but with cops, they are trained to assume that all potential felony calls have a guilty felon involved, even when the guy is clearly out of the vehicle with both hands open and up in the air...
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My preference would have been to order him back, have him respond to verbal commands, and then take him into custody...but what happened was well within the confines of use of force.

Also...when officers approached, he bladed his body towards the car door, and away from officers to his right. That increased the response.

The officer who charged came from the far right of the camera (left side of the subject), he wasn't the one who was giving him verbal commands, he was the officer more likely to have been watching hand movements, whether he was blading his body in a certain position away from officers (which he did), and likely saw that movement which caused him to react.

I don't know that to be the case but, that's what I see.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
The officer who charged came from the far right of the camera (left side of the subject), he wasn't the one who was giving him verbal commands, he was the officer more likely to have been watching hand movements, whether he was blading his body in a certain position away from officers (which he did), and likely saw that movement which caused him to react.

I don't know that to be the case but, that's what I see.
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He obviously was able to see there was nothing in his hands, else he wouldn't have attempted a stunt like that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The police chief needs to be fired. #dutybound
The police chief would rather enforce this stupid law instead of going after car thieves.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtzrimzC5mc[/youtube]
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Question for the cops in here:

If I leave my front door open or unlocked and an intruder comes in and robs me, which one of us is the criminal? The person coming on my property to steal from me or myself for leaving the door unlocked? Because this is essentially the argument that this dumbazz police chief is making.

Its far easier for cops to penalize the law abiding folk than actually go after criminals.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He obviously was able to see there was nothing in his hands, else he wouldn't have attempted a stunt like that.
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Then that is simply pathetic.
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I'll say to you what I say on calls all the time; I will always tell you the truth, doesn't mean you'll like what I have to say, but I will not lie to you.

You don't have to like what happened but the way it was executed was the safest way for all parties involved.

It's a high stress and dynamic environment that requires split-second decision making that literally could mean life or death for you, your buddy or someone else.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I'll say to you what I say on calls all the time; I will always tell you the truth, doesn't mean you'll like what I have to say, but I will not lie to you.

You don't have to like what happened but the way it was executed was the safest way for all parties involved.

It's a high stress and dynamic environment that requires split-second decision making that literally could mean life or death for you, your buddy or someone else.
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I agree, and that cop made a stupid decision. You even admitted yourself that it wasn't the ideal way you would have handled it, but then you turned around and defended your brother/circled the blue fence and said that it was techie ally within the rules of engagement. I make the claim that the rules of engagement suck, but you still stand behind the Blue shield.

That is the disconnect between us civilians/citizens and you cops. You can't even bring yourself to say that anot her cop is flat out wrong when the evidence presented clearly shows it.
 
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