Dabo vs Butch

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JonGrudensAgent said:
Valid point.

The Vols were only 39 points away from tying the runner ups as well.
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Should have read 'were'. Missed field goal vs. 39 points. You can't refer to the beating NC State put on Candy and ignore that they were a chip shot from beating Clemson.
 
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volfannbama said:
09 beat 10 Miami went to a bowl (won division)
10 bad season beat 25 NC State
11 beat 21 Auburn, 11 Florida St., 11 VT , 5 VT (Won conference, won division
12 beat 25 Auburn , 9 LSU (tied for 1st in division)

13 beat 11 South Carolina (5-7 no bowl)
14 lost to every ranked opponent
15 beat 19 Georgia
16 Beat 19 UF and 25 UGA

Wins against ranked teams DS – 8 BJ – 4
Win Division - DS – 3 (1 tie) BJ – 0
Won Conference - DS – 1 BJ - 0
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only used first 4 years as a reference point and valid comparision to CBJ's tenure at UT. Think I acknowledged the wins in those years as well.

I read, adnausea on here that it only matters where a team ends up...not the ranking when you beat them...since sometimes they could be over rated or helps to support an agenda.

Hence...

09 UM ended up not as good as advertised.

11 UA and FSU ended up lower ranked...plus embarred by a lower ranked WVU and beaten by 2 unranked teams....fire worthy to many here

outside the first 4, but 12 maybe tied, but lost the head to head...did beat Les in the bowl

FTR, I think Dabo is a very good coach, wouldn't call him great just yet. He managed to win his Div in the first 4 years, which is more than CBJ has, but it's not like he was beating all comers....when in fact, probably didn't beat anyone of consequence (VT maybe, but they didn't beat anyone that year either) and lost many games he shouldn't have.
 
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Dabo had more success earlier in his career and with less talent at a school that doesn't have the history of Tennessee and isn't expected to win like UT is.

While we are on the subject... James Franklin had more success at Vanderbilt in his 3 years than did Butch in his first three... At Vanderbilt.

Oh but Butch inherited a disaster! Did Butch inherit 2 straight 2-10 seasons??? Again, Vanderbilt.
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
Seriously he lost to Vandy not once but twice in 4 years, we keep hearing he wasnt left with anything, cupboard was bare. Even dooley recruited better than Vandy did with his time here! Rivals 2010 UT 9th Vandy 65th, 2011 UT 13th Vandy 75th, 2012 UT 17th Vandy 30th, Their one year better 2013 UT 21st Vandy 20th, 2014 UT 5th Vandy 51st. You can see this isnt the same ole Vandy, but they still have their sucky recruiting classes and terrible coach they want to run off, yet Butch has been beaten twice since he has been at UT while our talent advantage has been BIG. That 20th Vandy finished in 2013 is their best ever finish in football, we should lose once every blue moon to that team, yet precious lost to them and Jones has done the exact same thing. Since 1927 UT has lost 12 times to Vandy in total of 88 games with 3 ties. We have lost 4 times in past 12 years, 1 for Fulmer, 1 for Precious and 2 for Butch, That isnt a good perception of a program!
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Are 2 losses to Vandy in 4 years enough to fire CBJ? Is that the only metric you're willing to use?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
This proves my point. Everyone is stuck in the 90's with saying "it's Vandy".

He barely recruited and went up against Vandy with Dooley players. Just like that joint in your avatar, let it go.
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Just like you keep inferring that the ACC is still the ACC of the late 90's and early 2000's. All I know is the 2016 NC State team blew the doors off of Vandy(no pun intended). But that was a bowl game, and you don't count those. Overall, the ACC went 10-4 against the SEC this year. The SEC is a great conference that had a down year, the ACC is coming around pretty nicely, which is good for college football.
 
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JFreak said:
Muschamp's teams had more talent in 2013 and 2014. And once again for you thick headed negas, coaches coach and players play. Unless you really think Charlie Weatherbie (ULM coach in 2007) is better than Saban?
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Ahhhh, Charlie Weatherbie.......haven't heard that name in a while. What a clown. I wonder if he's still raising the roof?
 
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Sarms58 said:
Looks like Butch played in a tougher conference those first 4 years...overall records were about the same...

Clemson's SOS for Dabo's first 4 seasons was: 36, 23, 30 and 41...avg of 33

Tennessee's SOS for Butch's first 4 seasons was: 33, 24, 12 and 24...avg of 23

Overall pretty close results between Dabo and Butch in their first 4 years...

Interesting to note that Dabo took over a program that went 31-18 (0.63) in the previous 4 years while Butch took over a program that went 23-27 (0.46)...

Can Butch sign a "magic" QB like Watson? Or Newton? Or Tebow? Or Young?
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Like Dobbs?
 
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JFreak said:
Are 2 losses to Vandy in 4 years enough to fire CBJ? Is that the only metric you're willing to use?
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I'd be willing to forgive the first loss since James Franklin is 10x the coach that Jones is and it was his first season.

The second loss, IMO is unforgivable. This Vandy team was horrid. Not only should he be fired but also sued for gross negligence.
 
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jfreak, i would think its pretty dang close, plus the loss to USC, and all his losses to ranked teams! He has a very underwhelming record at UT that stands at 59% and 30-21 in his 4 years here while being 14-18 in the SEC so yes i think 2 out of 4 years with losses to Vandy which allowed them to even go to a bowl game and also UT to go to Music City would be pretty close to a fireable offense!
 
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VolNavy01 said:
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Ahhhh, Charlie Weatherbie.......haven't heard that name in a while. What a clown. I wonder if he's still raising the roof?
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Haha not sure what he's doing nowadays and don't care to check. But remember, according to VN he's a much better coach than Saban.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Dabo had more success earlier in his career and with less talent at a school that doesn't have the history of Tennessee and isn't expected to win like UT is.

While we are on the subject... James Franklin had more success at Vanderbilt in his 3 years than did Butch in his first three... At Vanderbilt.

Oh but Butch inherited a disaster! Did Butch inherit 2 straight 2-10 seasons??? Again, Vanderbilt.
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once again....the historical significance of Neyland is acknowledged.

Look at the past 30 years of CFB and tell me which program has seemingly produced a better winning average....and probably expected to win by their fans, too.

As far as talent advantage the past 4 years....I'd beg to disagree, and it'd probably go farther back than that.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Oh you mean the Independence bowl where NC State had a month to prepare and we had 20 injuries with a week to prepare, yes that's comparable. Lol
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Welcome to the new reality in Knoxville where this is now seen by some as a valid excuse to lose to Vandy. Also, NCSU was a 6.5 pt favorite and UT was a 10 pt favorite.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I'd be willing to forgive the first loss since James Franklin is 10x the coach that Jones is and it was his first season.

The second loss, IMO is unforgivable. This Vandy team was horrid. Not only should he be fired but also sued for gross negligence.
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No one is arguing that we should have never lost to Vandy this year. That was painful. However, it is not even close to a fireable offense, especially at the cost of $10 million. But if we're going on small sample sizes, Fire Saban. Downward trending and that loss to ULM.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I'd be willing to forgive the first loss since James Franklin is 10x the coach that Jones is and it was his first season.

The second loss, IMO is unforgivable. This Vandy team was horrid. Not only should he be fired but also sued for gross negligence.
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Butch Jones beat James Franklin while at Cincy...just pointing that out.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Looks like Butch played in a tougher conference those first 4 years...overall records were about the same...

Clemson's SOS for Dabo's first 4 seasons was: 36, 23, 30 and 41...avg of 33

Tennessee's SOS for Butch's first 4 seasons was: 33, 24, 12 and 24...avg of 23

Overall pretty close results between Dabo and Butch in their first 4 years...

Interesting to note that Dabo took over a program that went 31-18 (0.63) in the previous 4 years while Butch took over a program that went 23-27 (0.46)...

Can Butch sign a "magic" QB like Watson? Or Newton? Or Tebow? Or Young?
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Don't bring facts in here, the negavol heads will explode.
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
jfreak, i would think its pretty dang close, plus the loss to USC, and all his losses to ranked teams! He has a very underwhelming record at UT that stands at 59% and 30-21 in his 4 years here while being 14-18 in the SEC so yes i think 2 out of 4 years with losses to Vandy which allowed them to even go to a bowl game and also UT to go to Music City would be pretty close to a fireable offense!
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What about when he beat a ranked Spurrier coached USC team with vastly inferior talent? Also, keep in mind that Spurrier > Dabo.
 
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volfannbama said:
09 beat 10 Miami went to a bowl (won division)
10 bad season beat 25 NC State
11 beat 21 Auburn, 11 Florida St., 11 VT , 5 VT (Won conference, won division
12 beat 25 Auburn , 9 LSU (tied for 1st in division)

13 beat 11 South Carolina (5-7 no bowl)
14 lost to every ranked opponent
15 beat 19 Georgia
16 Beat 19 UF and 25 UGA

Wins against ranked teams DS – 8 BJ – 4
Win Division - DS – 3 (1 tie) BJ – 0
Won Conference - DS – 1 BJ - 0
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Wait, how in the hell can you put 2010 and write bad season for DS?? No cussing or spitting?? How can he have a "bad season" and our coach can't? It's either Bowl championship or fired.
 
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exactly Franklins best season was 2013 when he beat UT and Jones. Went 9-4 with only win against a ranked team being Georgia, he beat unranked Florida(who jones also lost to) KY and UT. The rest of the wins on his schedule were against juggernauts like Austin Peay, Umass, UAB, Wake Forest and Houston in the bowl game in which they promptly fired their coach who had went 21-17 because as they said he didnt win enough games in which the cougars were favored in and went out and hired Tom Herman who went 22-4 the next 2 years!

so you are saying he beat a higher ranked team once in 4 years here?
 
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Volst53 said:
I don't think Muschamp had a talent advantage in 2014.
Coaches are responsible for how their players play.
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You must be as high as you look in that pic....that Gator defense was next level LOADED with nasty talent.

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Wait, how in the hell can you put 2010 and write bad season for DS?? No cussing or spitting?? How can he have a "bad season" and our coach can't? It's either Bowl championship or fired.
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because they both have one losing season in their first 4 however Dabo also won a ACC title and 10 games within those 4 years, so when has Jones done that at UT?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Wait, how in the hell can you put 2010 and write bad season for DS?? No cussing or spitting?? How can he have a "bad season" and our coach can't? It's either Bowl championship or fired.
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And thus the stupidity of your post. Please show me a post where ive said CBJ is either BC or fired? This is why people cant have respectable conversations.
And why, if CBJ had won his division 2 of 4 years, tied for 1 a 3rd season and won a conference title, noone is complaining about a bad season from CBJ.
 
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