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To change the local and national media narrative on Butch will take him winning a game or two that they are not predicted to win against a top SEC rival such as Bama. Butch is every bit as good or better than Sumlin or Freeze. But they get better press and both of them have beaten Bama. Beat Bama, the bandwagon fans in the media will be running to him. They wanted to after the UF win, but then the narrative was destroyed with the USCe and Vandy losses.

Great post, UTProf.

I continue to warm to the thought of Scott/Weinke. I want strong coaching for QB's and an OC that understands the full impact of an offense. Those are two good minds that could kill it in recruiting. Butch can still win big here. He needs to become more wise in his decisions, which includes the focus of his offense. I still think Shoop was a great hire. Let him adjust his staff and put the whole scheme in. I am excited about S&C again. This roster and coaching staff need a good dose of old school football there. Time to toughen up the whole bunch on both sides of the ball up like DB is. He's the model of who a football player should be today.
 
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NMVol said:
I just looked at some MCB highlights. Here's the thing about the careers J. Dobbs and D. Barnett had under the CBJ watch and this is relevant to the QB competition coming on. The position standards Dobbs and Barnett set are phenomenal. Those coming in behind them will have witnessed examples of very high levels of performance and this can only help in instilling a model of player development within the program. I think it bodes well. It's a feature of coaching value that doesn't necessarily show up in the "what have you done for me lately" glamour assessments and is the kind of thing one might look for in seeking signs of building a deep sustainable program.
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I love Dobbs.....but his standard for passing accuracy, running thru progressions, reading defenses and getting us into a better play, and finding the open receiver is NOT the standard we want at UT......but he can extend plays and he is a heck of a runner and extremely hard to tackle.....

He IS A GREAT ATHLETE and fiery competitor who plays the QB position....He is a great kid with incredible character and is second only to Manning as an ambassador for UT football....

but he is NOT a great QB...and his QBR reflects it....especially against the better teams with better defenses...

He will be an H-back, TE, or WR in the NFL is he gets a shot.....

Here's hoping that JG or QD will prove to be great QBs....and not just good athletes playing the position
 
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Vols4us said:
To change the local and national media narrative on Butch will take him winning a game or two that they are not predicted to win against a top SEC rival such as Bama. Butch is every bit as good or better than Sumlin or Freeze. But they get better press and both of them have beaten Bama. Beat Bama, the bandwagon fans in the media will be running to him. They wanted to after the UF win, but then the narrative was destroyed with the USCe and Vandy losses.

Great post, UTProf.

I continue to warm to the thought of Scott/Weinke. I want strong coaching for QB's and an OC that understands the full impact of an offense. Those are two good minds that could kill it in recruiting. Butch can still win big here. He needs to become more wise in his decisions, which includes the focus of his offense. I still think Shoop was a great hire. Let him adjust his staff and put the whole scheme in. I am excited about S&C again. This roster and coaching staff need a good dose of old school football there. Time to toughen up the whole bunch on both sides of the ball up like DB is. He's the model of who a football player should be today.
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Agreed. The surest way to become sports media darling is to beat Bama. Hell, TAMU built an entire stadium based almost solely off the momentum and money gained from beating Bama one time. That win also secured Sumlin an incredible contract entirely too soon into his tenure at A&M.

But... Bama is currently a Goliath. Hell, maybe a Leviathan is a better description since they really are that much bigger, that very few can knock off these days and even then it requires an incredible amount of luck. Almost, beating them last season carried us pretty darn far in the media's eyes and probably set us up for some 'fun while they lasted' but ultimately unrealistic expectations (we really were hyped over the moon going into this season and I don't mean us competing for and/or winning the East which was a more than reasonable expectation in my eyes).

What amazes me though, is how Freeze has managed to still ride that wave despite OM's pitiful season, a NCAA investigation that will lead to serious consequences, and OM pretty much admitting that they'll get a bowl ban. I remember back when the season was young and the media kept claiming that OM was the best 2 loss [insert number of losses] team ever and they towed that line until it became impossible to tow it any further. But I think OM is so new to success that there just aren't that many who are going to put serious expectations on them (same for A&M).

OTOH, Tennessee is still seen as a blue blood even by those who claim that we've lost that designation and so any good roster we field is going to be met with much higher expectations by both ourselves and the media and much of that is warranted. We absolutely have to find a way to live up to it though.

Pretty much agree with you on the coaching/potential coaching hires. I'm particularly excited about Rock G. I just have a feeling he will get us back to the hard-nosed and disciplined teams we were used to seeing under Jones. But, I also think he'll help us produce players that are even tougher and stronger than before.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I think you're the one hoping if you are banking on Dormady.
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I'm willing to get on board with JG if he wins the job. Are you willing to do the same if QD wins it? No, you'll be crying for JG at first INT.

That's the difference between us. I'm a true Vol fan. You're a wanna be talent scout.
 
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Dust10 said:
I'm willing to get on board with JG if he wins the job. Are you willing to do the same if QD wins it? No, you'll be crying for JG at first INT.

That's the difference between us. I'm a true Vol fan. You're a wanna be talent scout.
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Nailed it
 
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I'll support whoever wins the job. I'm biased, I prefer a DT QB because of what they add to the offense. But if JG isn't ready yet, so be it. My only concern is that Butch will give QD the job even if JG is better because QD has more experience or whatever like he did with Worley over Dobbs. Just give the best player the job is all I ask.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I'll support whoever wins the job. I'm biased, I prefer a DT QB because of what they add to the offense. But if JG isn't ready yet, so be it. My only concern is that Butch will give QD the job even if JG is better because QD has more experience or whatever like he did with Worley over Dobbs. Just give the best player the job is all I ask.
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Worley was better than Dobbs his senior year and Dobbs' sophomore year
 
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Vols4us said:
To change the local and national media narrative on Butch will take him winning a game or two that they are not predicted to win against a top SEC rival such as Bama. Butch is every bit as good or better than Sumlin or Freeze. But they get better press and both of them have beaten Bama.
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Sorry...but simply cannot agree with this....

Sumlin and Freeze have gotten Ws against Bama, true enough...but they HAVEN'T lost to SCe and only Freeze has lost to Vandy this year with a true freshman QB on the road and a decimated D.....

and both have beaten CBJ head-to-head....Freeze beat the crap out of us....and took both FSU and Bama down to the wire this year.....

And both have beaten the Barn, Arky, etc...etc.....

Ole Sis did have that bad loss to Vandy this year....

But--playing in the SEC west, beating us head-to-head, and victories over Bama and other good teams in the West (that we haven't been able to beat--Auburn, Arky, LSU--for Ole Sis--would be adequate reasons to conclude that those guys are better coaches...

CBJ's quality win is against whom?? UGa?? Fla?
 
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