Hubbs this Morning

#51
#51
Godfatha said:
Imagine if Butch had stayed in house and promoted Martinez, who in turn had that horrible defense at the end of the year. Butch at least lessened critique of the himself by going out and hiring what was a considered a good hire for DC.

Now Butch hires in house and the offense stinks it up next year. Who's going to be taking the blame for that?
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Butch. There's no one left and you only get so many chances.


Then again if he gets his choice as AD he'll prolly get another pass
 
#52
#52
Dudleys87 said:
They fit enough for Jones.

Control control control.

The only two that would stick to 8 and not even ask about the 9th play in the book.
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Exactly. Jones would never have the nads to hire a great OC that may run some play Butch hasn't directed. Remember with a fairly talented team in 2016, our offense at times was bad. Late starts, No rushing attack. Poor ability to get open in the secondary when needed. Too many screen passes.

Now you take away the 2 best RBs, the QB, and the best WR from 2016 and you think the "in house" team will cover all that with younger players? Really?

5-7 season is fast approaching folks. That was Dooley's level in the time he was here.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
So it's not ok as a fan to want the best for Tennessee football? You really think keeping it in house is what's best for Tennessee when the same staff couldn't beat Vandy or SC one of which came off a bye. Please. Pardon me if I don't jump for joy for safe hires.

Butch is losing all his selling points and going outside the program to bring in new blood would do great things. Not the same stagnant group on O.
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Yeah it's ok, but you sound like a broken record man. Every. Single. Thread. You jump to conclusions way too fast.

I don't agree with him keeping it in house, but guess what he hasn't even made the hire yet, but you already have your mind made up that he has. Just wait and see what he does. Shoop wasn't and "in-house" hire, so he proved that he'll go out of the box. Shoop was considered a home-run hire at the time.
 
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What qualifies Scott to be an offensive coordinator at a major program--or a head coach soon, as one or two people here have asserted? I know he was an interim head coach for a few games at Miami--but wasn't offered the head job. I'm sure Scott has qualities--but he'd be very risky for this program. This is a big hire. Recall that the demise of our program under Fulmer started with his disastrous in-house hire of Randy Sanders as OC, to succeed Cutcliffe. Fulmer's promotion of Chavis, on the other hand, proved inspired--but it doesn't change the risk factor with a guy, any guy, who takes on a much bigger job.

As for Helfrich, it may be that Jones pitched him and he's not interested, or his interest is lukewarm. I'm sure he'll have a lot of OC options.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Butch cannot hire from within. He's got to get a big name. Look at Saban...he doesn't hire oc from within. Most coaches don't. Get a big name
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Saban is a defensive guy, so he promotes from within. That is his defense. He is hands off with the offense so to speak. He knows what he wants. He wants an aggressive offense too.

We have the exact opposite with CBJ. He should be hands off with the defense. He needs an aggressive play caller for offense. Like I have said, the offense does move the chains. The limitations with the offense was Dobb's inconsistency and poor line play. If he promotes in house, he needs to upgrade OL coach, QB coach, and WR coach.
 
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Stoked said:
Yeah it's ok, but you sound like a broken record man. Every. Single. Thread. You jump to conclusions way too fast.

I don't agree with him keeping it in house, but guess what he hasn't even made the hire yet, but you already have your mind made up that he has. Just wait and see what he does. Shoop wasn't and "in-house" hire, so he proved that he'll go out of the box. Shoop was considered a home-run hire at the time.
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Jumping to conclusions and seeing the writing on the wall are two different things.

Yesterday it was reported that Zach and Larry are being strongly considered and then this today. what tells me to honestly think it's not the choice?
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Saban is a defensive guy, so he promotes from within. That is his defense. He is hands off with the offense so to speak. He knows what he wants. He wants an aggressive offense too.

We have the exact opposite with CBJ. He should be hands off with the defense. He needs an aggressive play caller for offense. Like I have said, the offense does move the chains. The limitations with the offense was Dobb's inconsistency and poor line play. If he promotes in house, he needs to upgrade OL coach, QB coach, and WR coach.
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How Mahoney still has a job here is astounding to me.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
Anyone who would be happy with an in house option at OC is just no firing on all synapses.
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I'd be happy with an inside hire if we had someone who was qualified to be an OC/QB coach, but we don't. This is CBJ doubling down on his "infallible system" notion. He's going to ride that train right into the MAC next year.
 
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The big problem I have with Butch's offense is that it seemingly is not designed to get the ball into the hands of your best players and exploit individual matchups. I don't even know exactly how you would describe its philosophy. Early in the season, it appeared as if they wanted to run a lot of screens and draws and were committed to them regardless of whether or not they were working or the down and distance. It wasn't until the second half of the Florida game that they snapped out of that and starting calling plays in a more dynamic way.

Good offenses consistently feed their best players the ball. They build plays and call plays in a fashion that gives their best players the best chances to be successful. Guys like Josh Malone should be targeted about 15 times per game but are not. The fact that Alvin Kamara did not become the #1 RB until Hurd left/got kicked off the team is a big indictment of this offensive staff. In his entire career at Tennessee, his abilities were only used to their full potential during the A&M game, when it was obvious they were making a concerted effort to get him as many touches as possible via both the running and passing game.
 
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Hubbs is the media mouthpiece for the University. When he says something like this, it's like he's preparing the fan base for it to happen.
 
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This board went totally nega-nuts when Butch hired Debord and he did pretty damn good for old, washed up, stubborn, etc

this board pissed our pants in glee when Butch hired Stoops as defensive coordinator and he brought back 2012 and the Sal-defense....

What does this board know about hiring coordinators? I'll bet no one on this tread has ever hired a coordinator. I haven't and will withhold judgment at least until halftime of the first game....
 
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1982Alum said:
Exactly. Jones would never have the nads to hire a great OC that may run some play Butch hasn't directed. Remember with a fairly talented team in 2016, our offense at times was bad. Late starts, No rushing attack. Poor ability to get open in the secondary when needed. Too many screen passes.

Now you take away the 2 best RBs, the QB, and the best WR from 2016 and you think the "in house" team will cover all that with younger players? Really?

5-7 season is fast approaching folks. That was Dooley's level in the time he was here.
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Haha, some of you are so doom and gloom. There's no way any of us know what'll happen no matter who he hires. Remember how giddy we all were when he hired Shoop? Butch had made a homerun hire, after those last 3 games the majority of people I saw a few months ago praising Butch, are now calling for Shoop to be fired. Even if he hires a big name OC, there's no guarantee it'll work for the best. Just like if he promotes from within, we may win 9-10 games. Won't know till it happens. I get wanting to get a big hire, but you just don't know what'll happen.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
smh.

Way to fire yourself, Butch.
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I've been as rough on Jones as anyone but there's a couple of ways to look at this.

One, hope to have continuity on O and let the improvements Shoop makes from year 1 to year 2 carry you. You avoid the risk of having a "new system" on O lower results... resulting in Jones' termination.

Two, swing for the fence and take a risk on hiring a "splash" OC and letting him try to change everything on O. Jones would have to hope that the changes went smoothly enough to avoid a major drop off on O that would cost him his job.

There are risks both ways. I'm not satisfied that Jones' O works against the better opponents. I'm not convinced it ever will. There were way too many times that Dobbs individually bailed Jones out when things broke down. But... Dooley tried to save himself by taking a homerun swing with Sunseri and a switch to the 3-4.

My guess is that Jones will go low risk... whatever that ends up being.
 
#73
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Stoked said:
Do you wake up every morning excited to critique Butch's every single move?

There are 3 things for certain in life...taxes, death, and Dudleys87 in every single thread bashing Butch's every single move no matter what it is.

News flash: Everything is speculation so far, yet you're already bashing Butch for a move he hasn't even made yet...in every thread smh.
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Your last paragraph 100%.
Even if we promote in house, that may not have been the plan.
Helfrich may have been the choice and decided he wanted to stay out west or wants to team up with his old boss. Or maybe he asked for something asinine in the contract. There are a dozen reasons that it could have been on his end but a certain group of people just declare (as fact) that they know exactly what is happening and that it's guaranteed to be on the HC.

If they follow their usual methodology, the plan would be to repeat their made up fact until it's accepted as conventional wisdom in a few weeks/months.With their only real view of the situation being the inside of their own azz.
Maybe Jones screwed something up, I have no idea. I also have no problem admitting that I have no idea instead of just blatantly claiming whatever fits my agenda.
 
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