Jones: Finding OC all about fit

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So he will probably hire someone that he coached with back at the Michigan Ballet School. I have no confidence in Butch making the right hire.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Coffin...nail...done.

Debord threw Butch a lifeline by leaving, but he decided to tread water instead.
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The most productive offense in Tennessee history, and negavols want to change it. It is not that different than what most top teams are running. A good OC will get the ball to the playmakers, and this offense will hum. If only we had a decent defense.
 
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utvolpj said:
Anyone thinking he's going to hire someone to run a completely different offense is being ridiculous. It's what the HC knows and what he's recruited for
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exactly.

he's going to find someone that has similar philosophy, and someone that can utilize the personnel we have in the manner needed to get the most out of them.

no way we're going to bring in a guy that is a pro style type.

Helfrich makes sense, in that they are similar fundamentally, but Helfrich probably could actually contribute and enhance what's already here, whereas Deboard, good as he was, was nothing more than a puppet for CBJ's offense.

stylistically there's more symmetry in what Helfrich brings to the table to go along with CBJ's philosophy.

that said, i can see us promoting Larry or Zack.:dry:
 
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Don't know about you, but being in the shotgun on every single play drove me nuts. Even on the one yard line. Hope new OC has a few new wrinkles, and not the old man kind (even if he is an old man).
 
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Blackburn needs to be on board NOW! Butch needs guidance here..
 
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ptcarter said:
Don't know about you, but being in the shotgun on every single play drove me nuts. Even on the one yard line. Hope new OC has a few new wrinkles, and not the old man kind (even if he is an old man).
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This!!!!

I don't mind the shotgun formation, but when its 3rd and short why line up 4 yards behind the LOS?!?!
 
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This entire thread is filled with NegaVol Eeyoredom.

"We'll never get a good Offensive Coordinator. No one wants to coach at Tennessee. Why would anyone want to come here? We're going to lose next season. No reason to bother."
 

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ToptheTerrible said:
"Former Oregon coach Mark Helfrich visited Tennessee during a bowl practice, spawning rumors he might be the next OC at UT. But Helfrich was in Nashville to visit his former Oregon quarterback, Marcus Mariota, and is not considered a candidate for the UT vacancy."

Perhaps all of this Helfrich talk is simply pure BS ......
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Funniest part is you believe Hyams has clout
 
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Odd thing is the O broke the records this season so perhaps ol Butchie's system is not so bad. Perhaps the problem was that Debord was not able to make proper in game adjustments to that system to make it even better when it was required? If so, CBJ may be correct that his basic system is fine but he needs better execution of it?
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
This entire thread is filled with NegaVol Eeyoredom.

"We'll never get a good Offensive Coordinator. No one wants to coach at Tennessee. Why would anyone want to come here? We're going to lose next season. No reason to bother."
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The last time he said the same thing, we ended up with an Olympic swim coordinator who had an office in a broom closet somewhere in Michigans upper peninsula
 
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dduncan4163 said:
I'm not a huge fan of Butchs style of offense but 2017 is make or break. It would be stupid to do a full overhaul of the offense at this point and the offense does work well if executed properly.
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But it could be his built in excuse, if nect year is bad, which most of feel its gonna be.. he can use as an excuse saying its the first year in a new system, and next year will be better..
 
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Gandalf said:
Odd thing is the O broke the records this season so perhaps ol Butchie's system is not so bad. Perhaps the problem was that Debord was not able to make proper in game adjustments to that system to make it even better when it was required? If so, CBJ may be correct that his basic system is fine but he needs better execution of it?
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Bingo..
 
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Gandalf said:
Odd thing is the O broke the records this season so perhaps ol Butchie's system is not so bad. Perhaps the problem was that Debord was not able to make proper in game adjustments to that system to make it even better when it was required? If so, CBJ may be correct that his basic system is fine but he needs better execution of it?
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Exactly!

That's my take on it, as well. I don't understand why people are so down on "the scheme." Our problem for most of the season was execution, penalties, mental errors, big mistakes, etc. "The scheme" worked fine and we have the right talent to run it. It's utterly bizarre to me how everyone now hates Butch and all offensive problems are "Butch's fault", but somehow, the OC who came in to run his offense to mixed success, is the designer of "a record setting offense."

Helfrich would be the perfect person to run this offense. He's an innovator and was one of the major reasons for Chip Kelly's successful run at Oregon. Helfrich continued to do well at Oregon for a few years, but he's just not a good "CEO" type. In modern college football, a Head Coach needs to be a great CEO, whereas OCs and DCs are more like Managers. Helfrich doesn't have a lot of the "CEO-like" skills; he's more like a Manager. He knows Offense extraordinarily well, he's good with strategy and innovation, managing others, and mentoring people.

I'm really hoping we land Helfrich, because he'd be a home-run hire.
 
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aredfox28 said:
But it could be his built in excuse, if nect year is bad, which most of feel its gonna be.. he can use as an excuse saying its the first year in a new system, and next year will be better..
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If BJ doesn't win the East (or at least improve in the W department) I don't think an excuse will matter.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Exactly!

That's my take on it, as well. I don't understand why people are so down on "the scheme." Our problem for most of the season was execution, penalties, mental errors, big mistakes, etc. "The scheme" worked fine and we have the right talent to run it. It's utterly bizarre to me how everyone now hates Butch and all offensive problems are "Butch's fault", but somehow, the OC who came in to run his offense to mixed success, is the designer of "a record setting offense."

Helfrich would be the perfect person to run this offense. He's an innovator and was one of the major reasons for Chip Kelly's successful run at Oregon. Helfrich continued to do well at Oregon for a few years, but he's just not a good "CEO" type. In modern college football, a Head Coach needs to be a great CEO, whereas OCs and DCs are more like Managers. Helfrich doesn't have a lot of the "CEO-like" skills; he's more like a Manager. He knows Offense extraordinarily well, he's good with strategy and innovation, managing others, and mentoring people.

I'm really hoping we land Helfrich, because he'd be a home-run hire.
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This would be huge. The sooner, the better........
 
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ptcarter said:
Don't know about you, but being in the shotgun on every single play drove me nuts. Even on the one yard line. Hope new OC has a few new wrinkles, and not the old man kind (even if he is an old man).
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I agree about shotgun on short yardage, why make yourself go farther than needed. 3rd and inches and he lined up in shotgun where at least decent chance of losing good amount of yardage.
 
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aredfox28 said:
But it could be his built in excuse, if nect year is bad, which most of feel its gonna be.. he can use as an excuse saying its the first year in a new system, and next year will be better..
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See Philip Fulmer file sorted under the subject "Clawfence", "2008", and "fired"
 
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