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BruinVol said:
It's simple. I think ChipK was behind their success. When he left so did their success. Just look at this years results. Helfrich offense failed to score 30pts in 5 of his 8 PAC12 games. Tennessee scored 30pts in 6 of 8 SEC games. I see no reason whatsoever to get excited about a coach that made his name under ChipK and saw his offense decline steadily after he left.

I will take continuity from within because the offense was damn good this year. Much better than Oregons and in a much tough defensive league.
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I get this thought process. But we wouldn't be asking him to be the head coach. He would be going to back to a similar role he apparently thrived in. Running a really similar offense. With likely better weapons at his disposal.

Debord was fine. But talent scored us lots of points. We weren't blowing people away with innovation. Spin it how you want though.
 
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nashvol1 said:
QBs all have different abilities. See USC pre and post Darnold. See TCU this year.

Are you suggesting not a good play caller in general?
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I am suggesting all is his success was due to Kelly and MM. He gets very little credit from me.
 
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How good would this offense be without Dobbs improvisation? His elite scrambling and mobility was much better than the actual offense and play calls most of the time.
 
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BruinVol said:
It's simple. I think ChipK was behind their success. When he left so did their success. Just look at this years results. Helfrich offense failed to score 30pts in 5 of his 8 PAC12 games. Tennessee scored 30pts in 6 of 8 SEC games. I see no reason whatsoever to get excited about a coach that made his name under ChipK and saw his offense decline steadily after he left.

I will take continuity from within because the offense was damn good this year. Much better than Oregons and in a much tough defensive league.
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Oregon was 15th in total offense this year per NCAA.com...

Also just look at Helfrichs success working with QBs at Colorado and other stops. His QBs always improved and played well. A couple of them were offensive players of the year in their conferences during his time coaching them. I'll take Helfrich in a second.
 
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Catbone said:
How good would this offense be without Dobbs improvisation? His elite scrambling and mobility was much better than the actual offense and play calls most of the time.
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That was really the only time the offense looked great. When our backs were against the wall and we let Dobbs be Dobbs we typically moved the ball well.

Our scripted play calling was super meh.
 
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YorkVol said:
This is logical. But it is also possible that he did well as the OC for CCK but couldn't run the entire program well enough to win. Maybe being a successful OC is his strength.
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It is not unheard of..

(Cough cough) Kiffin...
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
That was really the only time the offense looked great. When our backs were against the wall and we let Dobbs be Dobbs we typically moved the ball well.

Our scripted play calling was super meh.
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Totally agree. Dobbs escapability made debord and the stats look better imo
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Oregon was 15th in total offense this year per NCAA.com...

Also just look at Helfrichs success working with QBs at Colorado and other stops. His QBs always improved and played well. A couple of them were offensive players of the year in their conferences during his time coaching them. I'll take Helfrich in a second.
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That style offense is always going to be highly rated when looking at pace. Yards and points per play would be much better stat.

I will also add that if we run the Oregon pace on offense Bob Shoops career is in serious jeapardy. He better leave town ASAP. Defenses can't hold up at that pace. The sec has caught up to that. Case in point auburn.
 
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nashvol1 said:
Looks like more success as QB coach than playcaller
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We could use a good QB coach too. I think he would be a pretty good option to take a shot on. He's not a sure thing by any means. But I totally get the thought process in hiring him and the best case scenario is we start pouring 50 points on everybody.

If he's not an elite play caller, then we probably look a lot like we did last year anyways.
 
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YorkVol said:
This is logical. But it is also possible that he did well as the OC for CCK but couldn't run the entire program well enough to win. Maybe being a successful OC is his strength.
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If he was really the OC under Kelly this would be valid. I don't think he was
 
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BruinVol said:
That style offense is always going to be highly rated when looking at pace. Yards and points per play would be much better stat.

I will also add that if we run the Oregon pace on offense Bob Shoops career is in serious jeapardy. He better leave town ASAP. Defenses can't hold up at that pace. The sec has caught up to that. Case in point auburn.
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Clemson does fine on defense running the spread with pace.
 
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BruinVol said:
That style offense is always going to be highly rated when looking at pace. Yards and points per play would be much better stat.

I will also add that if we run the Oregon pace on offense Bob Shoops career is in serious jeapardy. He better leave town ASAP. Defenses can't hold up at that pace. The sec has caught up to that. Case in point auburn.
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I think the future is offenses having the capability to move at that pace, but not do it all the time. Only when it makes sense. You have to adapt to the flow of the game. I think that's what Butch wants to do. Take advantage with speed when you can, but you're right it doesn't work if you go at that pace all the time. Unless you have really elite and efficient QB play.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
I think the future is offenses having the capability to move at that pace, but not do it all the time. Only when it makes sense. You have to adapt to the flow of the game. I think that's what Butch wants to do. Take advantage with speed when you can, but you're right it doesn't work if you go at that pace all the time. Unless you have really elite and efficient QB play.
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Move at pace after a first down.
 
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BruinVol said:
That style offense is always going to be highly rated when looking at pace. Yards and points per play would be much better stat.

I will also add that if we run the Oregon pace on offense Bob Shoops career is in serious jeapardy. He better leave town ASAP. Defenses can't hold up at that pace. The sec has caught up to that. Case in point auburn.
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I get that. But here is another look at these statistics.

They were ranked 15th in the nation yet ran the least amount of plays out of the top 34 teams in the nation. Scoring and offense was never a problem with Helfrich running Oregon, defense was. They only ran 892 plays this year. Debord and UT ran 896. So basically they ran the same amount of plays yet Helfrichs offense was ranked 15th and Debord and UTs offense was 40th.

Helfrichs offense was great at Oregon. He would be just as good here and an instant upgrade.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
I think the future is offenses having the capability to move at that pace, but not do it all the time. Only when it makes sense. You have to adapt to the flow of the game. I think that's what Butch wants to do. Take advantage with speed when you can, but you're right it doesn't work if you go at that pace all the time. Unless you have really elite and efficient QB play.
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Agree. Using pace at the right moments can cripple a defense that you have on their heels.
 
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