trump and the popular vote.

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Persian Vol said:
I was unaware we still engineer buildings the same way they do.

Because XYZ who happened to be one of the smartest people on this plant built an out of date building a 1000 years ago, that means that you don't need to go to school to be an engineer in today's world?
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Laws of physics and math are the same today as they were 1000 years ago.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Truthfully, I'm not certain that the school itself teaches he students that much more than any other legitimate university. But the students are definitely more gifted, and that's where the prestige factor really comes in. The schools prestige is built through the staff and students that come to it. In theory your Harvard Professor is much more renowned than the Tennessee Professor, but I don't think that really means that he makes for a better professor.

I don't think where this is going, but in a world with so many candidates, the person who went to Harvard will stand out because of the sheer difficulty that it takes to get into a school like Harvard. By graduating from Harvard, people assume you are more intellectual and gifted simply because you were one of few to be accepted into that institution.
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The golden word.

A college educated person is automatically qualified and talented because they went to college. And that college graduate is more qualified and talented if they went to Harvard.

The truth imho is that we have been sold a bill of goods wrt college education. Good discussion.
 
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You guys obviously feel cheated by young people with degrees, so because of this spite, I dont think there really is anything I can say other than that there are plenty of jobs that absolutely require training in a college settting.
 
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#158
If you think someone telling you what to do or reading a book is the equivalent of a 4 year degree at Georgia Tech, I don't know what to tell you.
 
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Persian Vol said:
You guys obviously feel cheated by young people with degrees, so because of this spite, I dont think there really is anything I can say other than that there are plenty of jobs that absolutely require training in a college settting.
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I don't feel cheated at all. I would like to see a culture change though with an increased emphasis on turning out work ready HS kids.
 
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Persian Vol said:
If you think someone telling you what to do or reading a book is the equivalent of a 4 year degree at Georgia Tech, I don't know what to tell you.
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What do you think your employer is going to do once you are hired? They will train you.
 
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Persian Vol said:
You guys obviously feel cheated by young people with degrees, so because of this spite, I dont think there really is anything I can say other than that there are plenty of jobs that absolutely require training in a college settting.
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Hold on. You think the only way one can learn something is through a college course?
 
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hog88 said:
I agree that today a degree is extremely valuable, it is artificially valuable in most cases.

IMO we have downgraded our secondary education to nothing more than babysitting or college preparation. I would like to see a culture change to where a kid leaving HS has the tools necessary to enter the workforce and advance through merit and ability without having to spend thousands of $$ on higher education.
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a bachelor's is the new high school diploma
 
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Persian Vol said:
You guys obviously feel cheated by young people with degrees, so because of this spite, I dont think there really is anything I can say other than that there are plenty of jobs that absolutely require training in a college settting.
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Cheated? Hardly. I train them. You are all hung up on the "require" part. That is where we disagree. That requirement is artificial and in the most cases it is government and/or organizationally mandated. There is no degree specifically for being an airline pilot. Should there be one?
 
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I'm under the impression that many of you think that everything can be learned without going to college. I'm receiving no argument against this.

So you guys are telling me that there is no true advantage to studying engineering at georgia tech, and that studying your ass off for four years on incredibly difficult concepts is pointless because your employer is just going to teach you everything anyways?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Cheated? Hardly. I train them. You are all hung up on the "require" part. That is where we disagree. That requirement is artificial and in the most cases it is government and/or organizationally mandated. There is no degree specifically for being an airline pilot. Should there be one?
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My argument is not that everything should require a degree. My argument is simply that a degree and the education you recieve from it is more important to than most people recognize.
 
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Persian Vol said:
My argument is not that everything should require a degree. My argument is simply that a degree and the education you recieve from it is more important to than most people recognize.
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Like FallGuy says, it depends on the degree. There are way too many out there though which has cheapened their overall value. I guess the reality is that it all sorts itself out in the end anyway.

I feel cheated by those Millenials with degrees in Women's studies though, that's for sure.
 
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Persian Vol said:
I'm under the impression that many of you think that everything can be learned without going to college. I'm receiving no argument against this.
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It can. Without college it just takes longer. In some cases a lot longer. (To use your medical reference) It might take decades to learn what you would learn in 8 years of med school, but it can be learned without that formal setting.

And all you get in college is a foundation. Nothing more.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Does Econ 101 at Harvard unlock some secret that Econ 101 at UT does not? Is there something magic about that place? Do those students get some super understanding of Economics because it is Harvard? It is the same material is it not? Supply and demand is supply and demand whether it is in Boston or Chattanooga.
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My ex-wife got her Masters from Yale. We spent 2 years in New Haven in the early-mid-70's. From what I was able to ascertain, the difference in Yale students and U.T. students was primarily an elitist attitude.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It can. Without college it just takes longer. In some cases a lot longer. (To use your medical reference) It might take decades to learn what you would learn in 8 years of med school, but it can be learned without that formal setting.

And all you get in college is a foundation. Nothing more.
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A foundation is as important as anything. Brick by Brick amirite
 
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Persian Vol said:
How does someone without a degree learn all of that?
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I realize that it was 100 years ago, but my grandfather dropped out after the 3rd grade because he was needed on the family farm. He later taught himself with the help of books and correspondence, and became a self taught engineer. He drew the plans, and built bridges and railroad trestles that are still standing.
 
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Persian Vol said:
You guys obviously feel cheated by young people with degrees, so because of this spite, I dont think there really is anything I can say other than that there are plenty of jobs that absolutely require training in a college settting.
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I have a degree, and feel that most of what I was taught was theory that often doesn't pan out in the real world.
 
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