trump and the popular vote.

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Madscientistvol said:
It's there just like the Senate, to give each state it's own individual say. That it's turned into rural vs urban is incidental even if it's relevant now.

People do tend to forget that many things in our governments founding was to give power to the states.
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I get that, but look at these comments... sheesz, it's like they think it's been around for just a few decades.
 
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Your Congressional representation is by popular vote.
The President is by electoral vote.
The SC is nominated and confirmed by the two above.

***** all you want, the guys who put this all together were fairly intelligent. It helps those in less populated areas to still have a voice. It negates the "more people voted this way" logic, because those people in less populous places deserve to be represented as well. But the people get their say by popular voting on their state representation. It all works as a check and balance.
 
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Persian Vol said:
I didn't know our country was only white.
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I guess the Pew Research group needs to do a more thorough research in the future then. Why wouldn't they have broken it down into college educated/non-college educated blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.?
 
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1972 Grad said:
I have an Economics degree from U.T., and know many people, both with and without college degrees. I am not prepared to say that a college degree necessarily makes one smarter.
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Is it like that for every case? No. Obviously you can't assume that every person with a degree is smarter than someone without a degree. But if I had a room filled with 100 college educated folks and 100 non college educated folks, I would say on average the college educated populace would be smarter.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Is it like that for every case? No. Obviously you can't assume that every person with a degree is smarter than someone without a degree. But if I had a room filled with 100 college educated folks and 100 non college educated folks, I would say on average the college educated populace would be smarter.
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Define smarter.

There are many skills and professions where I will take someone with experience over someone with a degree.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Your Congressional representation is by popular vote.
The President is by electoral vote.
The SC is nominated and confirmed by the two above.

***** all you want, the guys who put this all together were fairly intelligent. It helps those in less populated areas to still have a voice. It negates the "more people voted this way" logic, because those people in less populous places deserve to be represented as well. But the people get their say by popular voting on their state representation. It all works as a check and balance.
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Thanks for the clarification mr outlaw. Now, if only the hard-headed liberals (some who say they're smarter than anyone else in the room) can understand this simple answer from you above we could maybe move on to more important matters in this world.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Your Congressional representation is by popular vote.
The President is by electoral vote.
The SC is nominated and confirmed by the two above.

***** all you want, the guys who put this all together were fairly intelligent. It helps those in less populated areas to still have a voice. It negates the "more people voted this way" logic, because those people in less populous places deserve to be represented as well. But the people get their say by popular voting on their state representation. It all works as a check and balance.
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People in less populated areas have the same voice as any other person in this country. It just happens that there are more people in New York than bum **** Mississippi. Is it really fair or ethical to eliminate the voices of millions of people simply because they already live in a populated region. No it's obviously not fair or logical. There is this outrageous misconception that rural folks are not being represented. They in fact are. The millions of people who live in New York and California are a part this country like anyone else. Enough of this "woe is me, i feel left out" nonsense. Your vote counts the exact same as someone who lives in New York. More people in this country according to the last election have a belief system different than you. But in the end you won. So just be happy. Trump won the election, and stategized it well. But enough of this justifying the electoral college as a way to make things "equal" or "fair". Regardless of party affiliation, I don't see how a candidate winning an election without having the most votes to be considered "fair". But it is what it is.
 
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volprof said:
I agree with you that we should start using tests for voters, prepared for by free civics education courses - on site or in-person.

However, I do not think you would like the results of this.

Also, most Californians and New Yorkers aren't social justice warriors.
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No, they are just brain damaged liberals. (repetitive term, I know)
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Define smarter.

There are many skills and professions where I will take someone with experience over someone with a degree.
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The job market ranges through a wide array of education levels. But by smarter I mean someone who has simply learned more information about essentially everything that has to do about our life, the way we do things, how the universe works, and really understand the truth about most things, and are able to use logic and are able to recognize common myths or misconceptions that someone without extension education would have never been able to recognize. And obviously expertise in their field.

Who do I trust more? The personal trainer who has been training people for 10 years who took only one 2 hour test to be certified (and is unaware that he has been making mistakes, due to a lack of education and the lack of anyone being there to tell him his mistakes, or an exercise physiologist who spent 4 years to get a degree and knows about everything there is to your body when it comes to exercising, and is able to identify common myths that most uneducated personal trainers make. This was simply just an example.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Persian Vol, let me introduce you to our resident expert on all matters race related, D4H.:hi:
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That thread was a tough one to read. Once I saw that post about how a picture of Asian looking black people in Africa make "Africa Beautiful", I just stopped reading.
 
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Persian Vol said:
People in less populated areas have the same voice as any other person in this country. It just happens that there are more people in New York than bum **** Mississippi. Is it really fair or ethical to eliminate the voices of millions of people simply because they already live in a populated region. No it's obviously not fair or logical. There is this outrageous misconception that rural folks are not being represented. They in fact are. The millions of people who live in New York and California are a part this country like anyone else. Enough of this "woe is me, i feel left out" nonsense. Your vote counts the exact same as someone who lives in New York. More people in this country according to the last election have a belief system different than you. But in the end you won. So just be happy. Trump won the election, and stategized it well. But enough of this justifying the electoral college as a way to make things "equal" or "fair". Regardless of party affiliation, I don't see how a candidate winning an election without having the most votes to be considered "fair". But it is what it is.
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I would love to see this played out. those poor dumb **** farmers in the heartland whose voice doesn't matter should have the opportunity to charge whatever they want for their produce to those all knowing (more important - obviously) urban dwellers. And then if those urbanites don't want to pay it, they should burn it to the ground. Fair is in the eye of the beholder. **** urbanism.
 
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Persian Vol said:
The job market ranges through a wide array of education levels. But by smarter I mean someone who has simply learned more information about essentially everything that has to do about our life, the way we do things, how the universe works, and really understand the truth about most things, and are able to use logic and are able to recognize common myths or misconceptions that someone without extension education would have never been able to recognize. And obviously expertise in their field.

Who do I trust more? The personal trainer who has been training people for 10 years who took only one 2 hour test to be certified (and is unaware that he has been making mistakes, due to a lack of education and the lack of anyone being there to tell him his mistakes, or an exercise physiologist who spent 4 years to get a degree and knows about everything there is to your body when it comes to exercising, and is able to identify common myths that most uneducated personal trainers make. This was simply just an example.
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Who would you rather have by your side in a firefight: a 2nd lieutenant fresh out of the academy's infantry school, or a master sergeant with just a high school diploma and 25 years of service including several combat tours?
 
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Persian Vol said:
People in less populated areas have the same voice as any other person in this country. It just happens that there are more people in New York than bum **** Mississippi. Is it really fair or ethical to eliminate the voices of millions of people simply because they already live in a populated region. No it's obviously not fair or logical. There is this outrageous misconception that rural folks are not being represented. They in fact are. The millions of people who live in New York and California are a part this country like anyone else. Enough of this "woe is me, i feel left out" nonsense. Your vote counts the exact same as someone who lives in New York. More people in this country according to the last election have a belief system different than you. But in the end you won. So just be happy. Trump won the election, and stategized it well. But enough of this justifying the electoral college as a way to make things "equal" or "fair". Regardless of party affiliation, I don't see how a candidate winning an election without having the most votes to be considered "fair". But it is what it is.
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The fact is that the EC distorts the popular vote by bundling votes and giving small population states extra power with the EC votes for the Senators.

The defenders of that argue that the small population states (many of which did not even exist at the time) need this to keep from being overrun by the wishes of the large population states.

Let's assume that is true.

The solution to add some weight to the small population states by adding some EC votes for the Senators is just an illogical mechanism to accomplish it. All it does is diminish the votes of those in the more populous state to serve the interests of the smaller states. It basically just disadvantages the larger states, for no reason.

That is, assuming you buy into this GOP "the EC was adopted to that the small states are protected" nonsense. That simply was not the purpose.

It may be of political benefit to the GOP because they dominate the small rural states that are not as progressive as the larger states. But that is not why it was adopted. Its another fake patriotic-sounding justification for something that by definition reduces the power of the Democrats. Its just that simple.
 
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Persian Vol said:
That thread was a tough one to read. Once I saw that post about how a picture of Asian looking black people in Africa make "Africa Beautiful", I just stopped reading.
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Well he's a race baiting idiot anyway, so there's that. It is like a train wreck watching him at work. Just can't look away. I'd love to see Mixon punch him instead of little women.
 
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MG1968 said:
Who would you rather have by your side in a firefight: a 2nd lieutenant fresh out of the academy's infantry school, or a master sergeant with just a high school diploma and 25 years of service including several combat tours?
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Trump? or Obama?
 
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MG1968 said:
Who would you rather have by your side in a firefight: a 2nd lieutenant fresh out of the academy's infantry school, or a master sergeant with just a high school diploma and 25 years of service including several combat tours?
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The latter, but let's assume the experience is identical. How can someone justify the non college educated individual.
 
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Persian Vol said:
The latter, but let's assume the experience is identical. How can someone justify the non college educated individual.
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Sarah Palin has a college degree. Do you think she meets the lofty standards of the college educated you set forth earlier?

but to answer your question, in my example of military service, there's almost no way for the experience to be identical unless the 2nd lieutenant received a battlefield commission, thus bypassing any academic work.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
What do you mean, justify?
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I mean how can you justify picking the non college educated individual over the college educated individual in the same field, assuming that the experience is identical, as well as other factors like personality being irrelevant in this scenario.
 
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Persian Vol said:
What stupid logic. Are people from California or New York not American? More Americans voted against Trump, I don't see how you can honestly spin it any other way.

Edit: Other than "liberals in California and New York shouldn't control us flyover state folk"
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Mostly no.
 
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