No AD hire till February according to Jimmy Hyams

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BogeyVol said:
The head coach can not offer compensation to the prospective assistant coaches on his own. The AD is responsible for OK'ing and procuring those salaries. The HC can only request. So what coach in their right mind would agree to come to a school not knowing their compensation package?
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Again, there is an AD already making those decisions and even if Blackburn were hired this afternoon, he couldn't make those kind of changes before Butch would have to have his replacements lined up anyway. Goofy over reaction is just goofy.
 
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volfanbill said:
Again, there is an AD already making those decisions and even if Blackburn were hired this afternoon, he couldn't make those kind of changes before Butch would have to have his replacements lined up anyway. Goofy over reaction is just goofy.
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It's not overreaction. It's common sense. If you were taking a new job as an upper level "leader" in a division for a company in a few weeks, would you want the guy you were replacing to make possible company course altering decisions for the division you will soon be responsible for? No way in hell Hart would touch that kind of decision at this point and saddle Blackburn or whoever with his lame duck position.
 
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volfanbill said:
Lol. Because she's not making a rush, snap decision while completely uninformed we are showing that we are a poorly ran organization. While not the dumbest thing I've read on here, I find it more comical than pocket presents or valid Victorian.
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I mentioned earlier that I understand the University wanting to conduct a thorough search for a new AD. I don't want them to make an uneducated, bad decision. But how long does that take? How hard is it to interview somebody for a position? What really does Mrs. Davenport know about selecting an AD that means we should wait until February for her decision? I'm sure there are more highly qualified people that are in her ear telling her who the candidates will be and who needs to be hired at Tennessee.

LWS has mentioned that there has already been people contacted in regards to our AD position, and 4-5 candidates had no interest in this job. The assistant AD, Gilbert, has met with Davenport and had a discussion. There was no mention of any "official" discussions between Blackburn and UT. In my opinion, that seems like there has already been some searching going on. It's just frustrating when there is such a logical, great hire right down the road from us in Blackburn. It just seems that they could have already spent the last couple of weeks talking to people and presented them to Davenport once she was approved by the BOT and got her approval.
 
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Question could Blackburn agree to be the new AD in principle, begin work,and not take full position in the office till February kinda like how the Chancellor is.
 
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BogeyVol said:
It's not overreaction. It's common sense. If you were taking a new job as an upper level "leader" in a division for a company in a few weeks, would you want the guy you were replacing to make possible company course altering decisions for the division you will soon be responsible for? No way in hell Hart would touch that kind of decision at this point and saddle Blackburn or whoever with his lame duck position.
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None of your scenario changes whether an AD is named this afternoon or in July. Butch is already on a hot seat. If we're relying on the AD to name TCHFCATUTK's assistants, we're screwed beyond belief.
 
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volfanbill said:
None of your scenario changes whether an AD is named this afternoon or in July. Butch is already on a hot seat.
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That wasn't the premise or the argument. Your argument was basically that Dave Hart could OK any assistant coaching changes because he is the AD today. Anyway, it's obvious that this discussion is going nowhere so, I'm done.
 
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volfanbill said:
Again, there is an AD already making those decisions and even if Blackburn were hired this afternoon, he couldn't make those kind of changes before Butch would have to have his replacements lined up anyway. Goofy over reaction is just goofy.
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This and contracts are contracts are contracts. No matter who comes in it is a new AD. The incoming assistants will know this. Their level of comfort with Butch and his future is based on him and their money will be guaranteed or not by a certain amount and their contract. A new AD can't void that. Hiring a new AD by mid to late January (no way it can legally happen in the next couple weeks bc UT has to interview more than 1 candidate I would think being a public institution) is no different than February on this imaginary mental calendar you guys have.

We have an AD till June. We are going to have one in place 4 months before he retires. Poorly run...haha. Our previous rushed coaching hires were poorly run. This is not.

And I doubt there is a single fan of another school in the SEC who gives a flying crap we are waiting 1-2 months after a brand new Chancellor is hired to hire an AD well ahead of when the outgoing one retires.

We have a lot to ***** about as UT fans right now. This is not one of them
 
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BogeyVol said:
That wasn't the premise or the argument. Your argument was basically that Dave Hart could OK any assistant coaching changes because he is the AD today. Anyway, it's obvious that this discussion is going nowhere so, I'm done.
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He can. And no matter who gets named AD and when, the financials of the decision aren't going to change between now and then. Butch names his assistants, not the AD. Nowhere would this make a difference in hiring assistants.
 
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If true, I assume if there are assistants to be hired she will work with the current HC and current AD if those can't wait until a new AD is hired to replace the one that is retiring.

At this point the only position available (unless someone leaves) is a S&C coach and the rumor is the candidate is currently in the NFL and will not be available until that season ends.

Some on here freak out over everything.
 
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44DivePlay said:
This and contracts are contracts are contracts. No matter who comes in it is a new AD. The incoming assistants will know this. Their level of comfort with Butch and his future is based on him and their money will be guaranteed or not by a certain amount and their contract. A new AD can't void that. Hiring a new AD by mid to late January (no way it can legally happen in the next couple weeks bc UT has to interview more than 1 candidate I would think being a public institution) is no different than February on this imaginary mental calendar you guys have.

We have an AD till June. We are going to have one in place 4 months before he retires. Poorly run...haha. Our previous rushed coaching hires were poorly run. This is not.

And I doubt there is a single fan of another school in the SEC who gives a flying crap we are waiting 1-2 months after a brand new Chancellor is hired to hire an AD well ahead of when the outgoing one retires.

We have a lot to ***** about as UT fans right now. This is not one of them
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For this brief moment in time, it seems like an awful situation. Butch needs to make changes to his staff in order to succeed, Holly Warlick probably needs to go, but she definitely bought some grace yesterday, and Serrano will probably be shown the door in June unless he performs a miracle this spring.

Couple all that with a retiring AD and a new chancellor coming in all at the same time and it seems like panic mode is all that's out there. but...

In the long run, the right AD coming in saves all this. They get to make their hire and are immediately on the hook for performance. If Butch underwhelms again next fall, it's even more likely that Butch is shown the door, so the current AD can have his/her guy. It seems crappy in this moment, but with so many major decisions needing to be made within the next calendar year, it was a great time to retire and bring in a fresh look at AD.

But, again, nothing would be any different whether the AD was named today or in July as far as Butch's assistants go. The budget is there, the head coaches are there (for now) and an AD that still has full authority is sitting in office. And quite honestly, he's nowhere near as incompetent as a lot on this board like to pretend.
 
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The only question I have is if staff changes are made do any of us feel confident in allowing Hart to negotiate and structure those contracts and any possible buyout arrangements without input from the new AD?
 
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BogeyVol said:
That wasn't the premise or the argument. Your argument was basically that Dave Hart could OK any assistant coaching changes because he is the AD today. Anyway, it's obvious that this discussion is going nowhere so, I'm done.
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Reasoning with that guy is pointless, so I salute you. I:hi:
 
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zjcvols said:
If you believe the rumors it is that we can't get new coaching hires without an AD
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I find that rumor comical. We've got an AD, but somehow people believe that once Dave Hart announced his retirement, he was locked away in solitary confinement unable to do his job.
 
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