What are our insiders hearing?

#477
#477
So what's the inside scoop?

Do we have the money for a buyout and then pay top $ for a HC and staff?

I'm no insider but:

We have the money, the timing is off. To fire Butch now after leading us to a bowl three years running would be a mistake without having a coach in mind.

Is anybody satisfied with our season wrapping up in Nashville playing Nebraska in the MCB? Nope.

To fire the coach that brought us back from the Dooley effect is a bad PR move. But who cares about PR? Not me, but I'm not considered in the process of hiring our next coach. Potential coaches do care and could balk on the opportunity to coach here due to the lack of job security(other than another $10 mil buyout).

Timing is everything, Butch being HC in 2017 will be giving him a fair shot at getting us back to where we want to be. The loss to SC and then to Vandy is enough to get dropped off on 440 looking for a ride, but then the only person that would consider coaching the Vols would already bleed orange(I still feel we need to get some VFLers leading the program again).

Not everybody has the same passion for the Vols as the folks on Volnation, so to hire some chump that is looking for a payday or just an opportunity to pad their stats to move on to their dream job would be a mistake.

Beat Mehbraska!
 
#478
#478
Boca Vol said:
How do you figure he "wasted" money on the Browns? Just because they stink doesn't mean the value of the team isn't increasing. I'm pretty sure he could sell the team for a tidy profit if he wanted to.

Spending money on UT isn't making him any money. A lot of posters on here act like our big boosters live to spend their money on coaching buyouts.
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I feel obligated to notify you, that I gave you a "like " for the sentence in bold.
 
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#479
Lyle peaked last year. 2016 started the "leveling off" year(s) for ole Lyle. Can't keep him much longer or we really will be back in Dooley days sooner rather than later.

It'll be interesting to see what we do at the OC/QB coach spot. Will we keep DeBord? If so, the writing is on the wall for Lyle's tenure (on the shorter end of the spectrum). Will we hire someone like Helfrich who could be considered a next HC when Lyle goes belly up? Personally, I don't think there's any OC that you can bring in that should be in viable consideration to take over HC. Not even Kiffin.
 
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#480
The money donated to the university from a booster is a "donation". It is not an investment on which they will receive $$'s in return.

Some of you seem to think many boosters have millions and millions of dollars just laying around to donate - most are in the business of making money.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The money donated to the university from a booster is a "donation". It is not an investment on which they will receive $$'s in return.

Some of you seem to think many boosters have millions and millions of dollars just laying around to donate - most are in the business of making money.
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Don't kid yourself there are a lot of businesses that benefit financially from the Vols doing well.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
So what's the inside scoop?

Do we have the money for a buyout and then pay top $ for a HC and staff?

I'm no insider but:

We have the money, the timing is off. To fire Butch now after leading us to a bowl three years running would be a mistake without having a coach in mind.

Is anybody satisfied with our season wrapping up in Nashville playing Nebraska in the MCB? Nope.

To fire the coach that brought us back from the Dooley effect is a bad PR move. But who cares about PR? Not me, but I'm not considered in the process of hiring our next coach. Potential coaches do care and could balk on the opportunity to coach here due to the lack of job security(other than another $10 mil buyout).

Timing is everything, Butch being HC in 2017 will be giving him a fair shot at getting us back to where we want to be. The loss to SC and then to Vandy is enough to get dropped off on 440 looking for a ride, but then the only person that would consider coaching the Vols would already bleed orange(I still feel we need to get some VFLers leading the program again).

Not everybody has the same passion for the Vols as the folks on Volnation, so to hire some chump that is looking for a payday or just an opportunity to pad their stats to move on to their dream job would be a mistake.

Beat Mehbraska!
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Let him bring in another class this year, see how things go next year. If he has another 8-4 season or worse then its time to go look for a new coach. By February we will know if next year will be his last, pay attention to the coaches that leave and the coaches that are brought in.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Don't kid yourself there are a lot of businesses that benefit financially from the Vols doing well.
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That is not what I said. The $$'s is considered a donation for tax purposes. I have no doubt that some boosters own businesses that profit by having 100k fans attending games on Saturday - but they would get that even if they did not donate.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The money donated to the university from a booster is a "donation". It is not an investment on which they will receive $$'s in return.

Some of you seem to think many boosters have millions and millions of dollars just laying around to donate - most are in the business of making money.
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So one would think boosters want the University to get it right.......at some point!
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Let him bring in another class this year, see how things go next year. If he has another 8-4 season or worse then its time to go look for a new coach. By February we will know if next year will be his last, pay attention to the coaches that leave and the coaches that are brought in.
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I hate to be the one that breaks it to you, but another 8-4 with the right wins would have Butch coming back in 2018.
 
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volfan102455 said:
That is not what I said. The $$'s is considered a donation for tax purposes. I have no doubt that some boosters own businesses that profit by having 100k fans attending games on Saturday - but they would get that even if they did not donate.
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It's not always about the 100k that attend but the millions that don't.

The money spent across the state and the country on all things orange is critical to the success of the program financially. Inventory sits or is reduced to sell when we go 8-4, get on a NC run and not so passionate fan starts flying flags and showing colors. I've already got my O&W Christmas tree. What I'm looking for is a collectable Vol helicopter. There has been a drop off of new high end collectables. Why? Dooley.
 
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#488
Behr said:
Wonder how they earned thier millions?
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Pilot Oil

Books a Million

DirectTV

Professional Football

Food distribution

Mortgage Banking

Business development companies

Investment and real estate

Retail

just a few off the top of my head. several more
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Let him bring in another class this year, see how things go next year. If he has another 8-4 season or worse then its time to go look for a new coach. By February we will know if next year will be his last, pay attention to the coaches that leave and the coaches that are brought in.
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looking at it as a business CBJ has been a bonanza for the University. He's solid for more years. I've seen no discussion of struggling ticket sales because it's booming. Look at the reality and not wins. Your spinning the record of W's vs L's and that's secondary to money flow. :)
 
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MFL said:
looking at it as a business CBJ has been a bonanza for the University. He's solid for more years. I've seen no discussion of struggling ticket sales because it's booming. Look at the reality and not wins. Your spinning the record of W's vs L's and that's secondary to money flow. :)
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You think Neyland will pack out if this team is 2-6 heading into November?

Tennessee is once again on the verge of greatness with the right leadership coming in. Are you willing to let a buyout stand in the way if the right coach is available?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Pilot Oil

Books a Million

DirectTV

Professional Football

Food distribution

Mortgage Banking

Business development companies

Investment and real estate

Retail

just a few off the top of my head. several more
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Wise decisions?
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Let him bring in another class this year, see how things go next year. If he has another 8-4 season or worse then its time to go look for a new coach. By February we will know if next year will be his last, pay attention to the coaches that leave and the coaches that are brought in.
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I'm not convinced we will really know how 2017 will go until 2017 is played on the field. Many thought Shoop was a slam dunk and the defense would lift us to glory in 2016 - we all know how that turned out.

Truth is one does not know how well the coaches and team are going to jell together until the season happens. And one doesn't know how the intangibles like injuries and such are going to play out until the season begins.

Any one who is predicting doom and gloom is guessing just like anyone who is predicting exceptional success is guessing. Most are basing their prediction on what they want to happen.

I am a fan - I am always going to want the team to win and win big and will support whomever is coaching or playing for the team as long as they are coaching and playing for the team.
 
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#494
UTVolinExile said:
Atlanta Vol made some interesting comments, said that we've got a coaching search "committee" in place, in which CPF is a very active participant. Also said he believes Butch is gone in 2 years.

The unfortunate inference there is that Butch is here for 2 more years.
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:lolabove:

I have heard some BS on here before, but that is over the top. What is more idiotic is some of you believe it.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I'm not convinced we will really know how 2017 will go until 2017 is played on the field. Many thought Shoop was a slam dunk and the defense would lift us to glory in 2016 - we all know how that turned out.

Truth is one does not know how well the coaches and team are going to jell together until the season happens. And one doesn't know how the intangibles like injuries and such are going to play out until the season begins.

Any one who is predicting doom and gloom is guessing just like anyone who is predicting exceptional success is guessing. Most are basing their prediction on what they want to happen.

I am a fan - I am always going to want the team to win and win big and will support whomever is coaching or playing for the team as long as they are coaching and playing for the team.
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No Loyal Vol Fan wants gloom and doom to happen, even if they predict it.

There are plenty of reasons to predict either a great season(room for improvement in all areas) and another disappointing season(will the improvement needed in all areas happen) but it doesn't change the fact that each and every Loyal Vol Fan would be happy if we won it all, even with Butch as the HC.

The fact is Butch as for now is the HC and to support the program it would help to support the HC until he is no longer the HC(this does not apply to those that are in a position of power and are part of the decision making process, if you are in the same boat as me all you can do is either support our team players and coaches or you can bash and backstab).

Beat Nebraska!
 
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LWSVOL said:
Pilot Oil

Books a Million

DirectTV

Professional Football

Food distribution

Mortgage Banking

Business development companies

Investment and real estate

Retail

just a few off the top of my head. several more
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Forgot Pay Day Loans, also known as Predatory Lending haha
 
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#498
LWSVOL said:
as in their pursuits in business? Seems so. all are very rich..
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Let me try it this way......

"So one would think boosters want the University to get it right.......at some point!"

My response should have been....

The boosters made their millions and retained it by making wise decisions. They know more about what's going on with the program than I do. I would assume they think they are getting it right, whether I think they are or not.
 
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#500
Titan&Volfan4life said:
That's correct and that's a Team with more coaching changes than hiTllary changes lies.

alaBubba could probably beat the browns, LOL!

He's also helping fund his sons political career which isn't cheap.

Just because he wasted over $1 Billion on a NFL team is even more reason he won't want to throw more HUGE $$$ at our footVol Team.

If our big boosters wanted to throw that kind of HUGE $$$ around we would never have hired buTch and we'd have a HC earning $6 Million or more per year right now.

Please attempt to Think and engage brain before posting my friend.

This isn't la la land, this is reality.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Haha you know it's funny. I was reading this and agreeing with you. Then I read your slam and realized you're just a jerk who thinks he knows everything. How do I know this? Well because you can't disagree with someone without slamming them. So here is a little lesson in telling someone they are wrong....

Titan&Volfan4life said:
He's also helping fund his sons political career which isn't cheap.
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He's not funding his son's political career..... Bill is his brother. Jimmy is the owner of the Cleveland Browns. Not his father Jim.

That's how you have an adult discussion.

Have a good day.....
 
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