Vols trending Down (247 article)

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The UTAD would like to release a statement...

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volfanjustin said:
After 4 years of Butch if we don't have more than 1 good player at each position thats on butch. If the S&C is weak thats on butch. Injuries didn't stop Florida from going to LSU and winning. Stop with the excuses. 4 years later and 4 years of excuses.
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Didn't realize Florida lost 15 starters to injury
 
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landscapingvol said:
As opposed to continuously hoping and wishing the program would implode so you can gloat is really helpful. I don't know why some of you even watch UT play. Butch Jones is going nowhere anytime soon no matter how much you want it to be true. I know you want to believe that if you complain enough somehow/someway the UT administration will fire CBJ or it shows that you have vastly superior football knowledge compared to those who don't whine incessantly. But again, it doesn't make any of it true.
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Nice try. My wishing or hoping has no bearing on anything. The program already is what it is. Some people can be honest with themselves and call a spade a spade. Some people choose to live in delusions because reality is too hard to face. Criticism of UTAD is warranted. Criticism of Butch Jones is warranted. Should he be fired this year, that is debatable....I guess.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Trey committed before the article came out.. so I don't see your point.

Butch is a great recruiter, he will swing it somehow. But it's stupid to think this won't impact recruiting in one small way or big way.
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You trying to say the negativity wasnt around. C'mon bro. Don't be dumb.
 
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*Tennessee was unprepared for nearly every first half this season.
*The amount of turnovers
*Players leaving/pushed out
*Constant bad press from cliche talk
*Vandy/South Carolina
*Started in top 10, tumbled...
*Blew the SEC east


There are a lot of reasons to believe in a downward trend.


Butch can recruit. That isn't in question. The jury is still out on the rest.
 
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This job is bad for anyone's health, two national championships in 80 years speaks for itself. Of course, anybody can win here and anybody can recruit here it just hasn't worked out for any coach not named Neyland or Fulmer. Fulmer was fired 2 years after winning the East so we really do have intelligent fans. Soon, the legions of the miserable will be calling for a coach's head after year one on the job.
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
With him as our HC, yeah, youre damn right I do! I have every right to think that way. What makes you so special? lol Is he not spiteful, stubborn and quiet? Wake up junior.
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lol yes you do have the right to call someone that you don't know a spiteful little tool loser, just because they don't coach football the way you want them to. Having that right is fine by me. I also have the right to my opinion. And if it comes across as me thinking I'm special because my opinion is that you are acting like a pathetic vindictive teenager then so be it.

It is definitely understandable for people to be upset with Jones. I just don't agree when some people (like you) act like babies about it. I see you told another poster to grow a pair of balls because he disagreed with you throwing a temper tantrum as well. lol and you call others spiteful and losers. :crazy:
 
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volfan102455 said:
Players must OWN it as well. Coaching a player is a two way street. Coach has to give and player has to receive and act upon what was given. If one side does not hold up their part - failure happens. Only the coach and the player knows which failed.

Coaching is like teaching - a teacher can have 10 students in a class and 5 of those students knock it out of the park - get A's, score high on the ACT's .... and the others are either average or fail. Does that make the teacher at fault because 5 students did not study nor take things seriously enough and were content with just getting by? Granted there may be some of the 5 that don't have the capacity to learn what was being taught - but a teacher can only see that and make suggestions for said student to address that - they can't fix it unless the dumb down the content to the level of the lowest performer.

Same is true of any manager / team member relationship. You manage the folks but at the end of the day they have to take accountability to use the advice given and perform. Only the manager / team member knows who truly failed when failures occur.
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At the end of the day a manager is responsible for the performance of the team he manages. Especially if that manager is sourcing, recruiting, and hiring his employees like Butch essentially does with his players. If I as a manager have underperforming employees who are also unmotivated, unprepared, and whom I recruited and brought on over the past 4 years, that is a direct reflection on me as a manager. A great manager finds ways to challenge and motivate his people to improve and develop their skillset all while giving 100%.
 
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landscapingvol said:
This job is bad for anyone's health, two national championships in 80 years speaks for itself. Of course, anybody can win here and anybody can recruit here it just hasn't worked out for any coach not named Neyland or Fulmer. Fulmer was fired 2 years after winning the East so we really do have intelligent fans. Soon, the legions of the miserable will be calling for a coach's head after year one on the job.
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Is "legions of the miserable" synonymous with "those who choose to not be complacent with underachieving and mediocrity"?
 
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millst987 said:
Say what you want but this article is coming from a well respected journalist. He wouldn't lie about this stuff, it could ruin his career. It appears the state of our program is not good. I do believe the firing of our S/C coach cost us this year. I do believe we looked very poorly coached and uninspired as well. This all stems from our HC. If administration members are saying this it's only a matter of time before Butch is done here. Hubbs basically alluded to the fact that the only reason Butch is still here is because no one wanted him as a HC. What does that say about him as a coach?
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Journalists don't lie? :thud: You actually believe what they say is 100% the truth.

They pick and choose their words to say what they need to say to cast the story they want to tell. In doing that they leave out things that would not support a different opinion. It's not lying in the sense of them saying "it is raining out side" when the sun is shining. But it is creating a slanted view built on presenting only what supports that view - so if they want folks to think the sun is shining - they allude to brightness in the sky without talking about the wet stuff that is hitting them in the face.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Well when the other offers are Alabama, OSU, Clemson, etc. it doesn't matter where a recruit is from they are going to listen. And if you don't seriously recruit and fight for that player and let them know you want them here, he is going to go elsewhere - remember Von Bell - all he needed was some love from Tennessee - he got none until it was too late.
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My point was, we should be at a point in our program where in-state recruits are knocking down our doors....or at least that is what our program should be shooting for.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Journalists don't lie? :thud: You actually believe what they say is 100% the truth.

They pick and choose their words to say what they need to say to cast the story they want to tell. In doing that they leave out things that would not support a different opinion. It's not lying in the sense of them saying "it is raining out side" when the sun is shining. But it is creating a slanted view built on presenting only what supports that view - so if they want folks to think the sun is shining - they allude to brightness in the sky without talking about the wet stuff that is hitting them in the face.
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Journalists would never lie says Dan rather and Brian Williams.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
There's a lot of truth in that article.

I'm not going to elaborate further, but Travis tried vry hard to find people with a more favorable review of the current goings on to balance the story and could not. He also asked for comment from Butch and Hart two weeks ago, asked again after giving UT some of the quotes for the story, was told he would receive quotes or an interview with both Butch and Hart, and then UT never delivered on that.

If you want to blame someone for it being one-sided, then it lies at the feet of Ryan Robinson in media relations for dropping the ball on getting a response.
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I'm guessing that they were not provided the names of the sources of those quotes. It is a good policy not to respond to 'anonymous sources'. You can end up validating the opinions of inconsequential people in the process. As I said earlier, it is hypocritical for anyone to criticize Butch Jones for not taking ownership without attaching their name to that criticism.
 
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Wylo said:
*Tennessee was unprepared for nearly every first half this season.
*The amount of turnovers
*Players leaving/pushed out
*Constant bad press from cliche talk
*Vandy/South Carolina
*Started in top 10, tumbled...
*Blew the SEC east


There are a lot of reasons to believe in a downward trend.


Butch can recruit. That isn't in question. The jury is still out on the rest.
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*The amount of turnovers -

No one is coached to fumble the ball

*Players leaving/pushed out -

Players left Alabama this year too. Downward trend?

*Constant bad press from cliche talk -

"Champions of life" was taken to mean something that it was not originally intended to. He was talking about graduating and succeeding in life not that we had won some kind of championship obviously. It sounded funny so media and other teams jumped on it. Big deal. "1-0 each week" is something that many coaches say in one form or another from peewee to the highest level. I have heard a variation of that many times when I played. It keeps teams from looking ahead or from falling apart after a loss. Coaches use cliches, nothing new.

*Vandy/South Carolina -

Questionable calls in those games cost us so I can't defend the losses. They are the main reason why Butch is on the hot seat for 2017 and why your argument against Butch is gaining momentum. If he has losses like these in 2017 you will get your wish.


*Started in top 10, tumbled -

to 21. Lower but considering the high expectations and injuries, not outrageous. A win over Nebraska would put us near the top 15.

*Blew the SEC east -

See previous comments about Vandy/USC

I don't believe we are seeing a downward trend yet. We could just be looking at a bad year with unfortunate injuries. Failure in 2017 would begin to show a trend and if there ever is a definite downward trend, Butch will be gone and I will be on board
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Yep.

Surprised on the timing but not the content of the article in the least.

It's been clear for awhile things are not going well behind the scenes.

Unfortunately, that's more than 1 big time commitment can rectify.
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Just got a commitment from a 4* minutes ago and based on what I saw - he commented on the family atmosphere at UT.

So something doesn't jive here.
 
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SmokeyLives said:
I've mentioned this 4 or 5 times here, and will again. While attending the game this year versus Ohio University, there was a high school football coach local to Knoxville seated behind us. He mentioned several times, unsolicited, that the scuttlebutt in local circles was the program culture was a mess. His words, "the inmates are running the asylum." He'd heard that Butch was losing control. From what we've heard about Kongbo, along with issues related to Hurd and Williams, it makes sense. After watching the defensive meltdown against SC and Vandy it seems especially true on defense.
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Since it was unsolicited, surely he wouldn't mind you putting a name on it.
 
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TNinSC said:
Can't argue with the truth. It's always hard when the person who isn't getting the job done is a likable guy.
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The "truth" attributed to unnamed sources. Daniel Hood consistently offered a differing opinion:

"'Certain guys had more of a voice than they deserve,' a source close to the team said. 'Certain guys would become team captains even though they didn’t earn it. When that happens, it dissolves trust the rest of the team has in you.'

A few former players and the media relations office refuted these claims.

'I don’t see any scenario where I believe there would be that type of favoritism. I just can’t see that,' said Hood, who played for Jones in his first season, 2013. 'I love the guy. I could say hands down that of every single coach I played for, that was the one staff that really got it from the top down.'"
 
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BigSteve09 said:
I would give anything for Butch to sit down in front of a microphone and take some ownership. Either own the disappointment of 2016, or own some expectations moving forward.

Anything along the lines of "We're tired of the talk and Tennessee is coming to play." Just have some BALLS, man. I don't need all the Kiffin crap talking, but acknowledge that this BS is out there about you and your team and tell everyone that you're not backing down from any challenges or expectations.

We'll never get it, and it sucks.
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You should watch his presser from Monday. He did take responsibility for the let down.
 
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