Vols trending Down (247 article)

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BeecherVol said:
When did that become the duty of the sports media?
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Just calling it like it looks to an outsider who quite frankly has watched the media long enough to know they have agendas and are very rarely objective with what they report.

I'm not naive enough to believe reporters just report facts.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I don't recall him specifically stating what the reason was. It could have been one of many things or combination of things:

- Bad play calling; they were out of position all game long and looked at times like they had no idea what they were doing.
- Lack of adjustments; it wasn't working in the first half and there were no obvious adjustments in the second half
- Lack of execution by the players; either players just not executing the play or not understanding the play
- Team not being prepared for the Vandy offense
- Type of players playing not able to execute well the schemes that were being called.

These fall into many different areas with very different solutions required.

You are automatically assuming he is pointing towards the coaching. I am not making assumptions either way because he was not specific in what the reason was. He may have thought that he did not play well enough in the game for all I know.
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He went with this regarding injuries.

The Vols’ defensive front is down to two scholarship seniors, and on Saturday night it started its 11th different combination in the secondary, eighth different linebacker corps and seventh different defensive line.

Barnett, however, refused to make any excuses.

“We can’t blame it on injuries,” Barnett said. “We didn’t play well enough.”
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Not a shock, he has never seemed to be the type to candy coat or excuse make.

A few other comments regarding the defense specifically.

“We didn’t get enough pressure up front,” Barnett said. “We didn’t make enough plays.”
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“We weren’t executing, people weren’t in their gaps,” Barnett said.
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I think one of the biggest weaknesses in this article (besides the whole anonymously blasting Butch for not "owning it" C'mon!) is how little he seemed to think the crazy number of injuries hurt this team. I think it does fall back to the S&C program but he seemed to belittle the whole idea that injuries hurt us. Our "NFL Talent at every level of the defense" wasn't out there most of the season. I really take this article with a grain of salt. I think Butch has some stuff to do and if he doesn't, he's out. Articles like this don't really give us anything we didn't know beforehand and just look bad on everyone from the writer to the athletic dept.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Wonder which players were the "coddled" ones that won't be returning?
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So now any player that leaves is going to be known as the one that was "coddled". He did a good job at blasting any player that now leaves the program as being part of the problem with that comment.
 
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RMSmallwood said:
I think one of the biggest weaknesses in this article (besides the whole anonymously blasting Butch for not "owning it" C'mon!) is how little he seemed to think the crazy number of injuries hurt this team. I think it does fall back to the S&C program but he seemed to belittle the whole idea that injuries hurt us. Our "NFL Talent at every level of the defense" wasn't out there most of the season. I really take this article with a grain of salt. I think Butch has some stuff to do and if he doesn't, he's out. Articles like this don't really give us anything we didn't know beforehand and just look bad on everyone from the writer to the athletic dept.
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After 4 years of Butch if we don't have more than 1 good player at each position thats on butch. If the S&C is weak thats on butch. Injuries didn't stop Florida from going to LSU and winning. Stop with the excuses. 4 years later and 4 years of excuses.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Just calling it like it looks to an outsider who quite frankly has watched the media long enough to know they have agendas and are very rarely objective with what they report.

I'm not naive enough to believe reporters just report facts.
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But they are supposed to be part of the solution, the media that is?

Had the piece been about Jones having the program stable after Dooley's mess and heading toward championships (real ones), and applauding Jones for reeling in a top recruit (assuming that he knew that when he was writing it) and claiming that sources say he is very comfortable and confident in everything that he did your response would be?
He has an agenda? They are rarely objective?
 
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volfanjustin said:
After 4 years of Butch if we don't have more than 1 good player at each position thats on butch. If the S&C is weak thats on butch. Injuries didn't stop Florida from going to LSU and winning. Stop with the excuses. 4 years later and 4 years of excuses.
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Lol, I criticize the article because it was poorly written and now i'm making excuses for the coach :crazy:. I said that the article was poor because of various reasons. Of course the S&C program falls to the HC, nobody is debating that. I just think that the biggest knock on Butch this season has been injuries and the article minimized it because he just wanted to get people riled up and get more views. I simply have a disagreement about our biggest issue this season than the author of this article but I guess I should just burn some mattresses and agree...
 
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Say what you want but this article is coming from a well respected journalist. He wouldn't lie about this stuff, it could ruin his career. It appears the state of our program is not good. I do believe the firing of our S/C coach cost us this year. I do believe we looked very poorly coached and uninspired as well. This all stems from our HC. If administration members are saying this it's only a matter of time before Butch is done here. Hubbs basically alluded to the fact that the only reason Butch is still here is because no one wanted him as a HC. What does that say about him as a coach?
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. i think in merit, the article is a reflection of a lot of the frustration many, self included, have felt about how this season ended, and what some of the causes of it were.

i'm not ready to say it's totally factual, but i do think it's accurate as to the sentiment.

if there's one positive take away, it's the idea of Blackburn working on Jones and giving him the opportunity to turn it around. while i'm not willing to say that i think CBJ will, i don't have an issue with the narrative the article portrays regarding that potential relationship. that could be exactly what he needs. and not that this has anything to do with the w/l columns, i do think there's a lot of merit to the lack of relationship he has with fans and media. he just doesn't do himself any favors with what he says as far as what are the cornerstones of his philosophy and culture, and what he says and does elsewhere. the "own it" comment in the article is accurate. i've been very vocal here on my sentiments regarding Butch and his seemingly inability to communicate effectively....he comes off as fake....well intentioned as he may be, he missed the mark too many times in this respect.

additionally, i also agree with the notion that this team could get better by subtraction. i've always had this feeling that the two classes he signed in 14 and 15 just had too much hype....and that there was probably some entitlement issues for some of those guys, with notable exceptions of Dobbs, Kamara, Barnett....

lastly, i think the article hit the nail on the head in regards to the S&C situation, and further, going back to the relationship with Blackburn, getting CBJ to understand his role, and the roles of his coaches, and how that should all fit together going forward, if things are going to change for the better.

i really want CBJ to succeed. that would be the best case scenario for this program. but he has to understand that that has more to do with him, his philosophy, and management practices, than it does with "the pitch".

the table is set, i don't think all is lost. but it is up to him as to what happens next.
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Good post. The article gives some "inside" viewlpoints on issues that have ranged from suspected to downright obvious to anyone who knows much about CFB and is paying close attention. While it's prudent to take what anonymous "inside" sources reportedly said with a grain of salt, for the most part the article's main points don't seem to be off the mark. Butch has talked about examining everything in the program for needed improvement. He must include himself earnestly in that. Hey Butch, it's ok to make mistakes and learn from them, especially if you openly "own it." There is a new AD coming soon, a locker room, and huge, hungry fanbase that'll rally behind you if you that.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Players must OWN it as well. Coaching a player is a two way street. Coach has to give and player has to receive and act upon what was given. If one side does not hold up their part - failure happens. Only the coach and the player knows which failed.

Coaching is like teaching - a teacher can have 10 students in a class and 5 of those students knock it out of the park - get A's, score high on the ACT's .... and the others are either average or fail. Does that make the teacher at fault because 5 students did not study nor take things seriously enough and were content with just getting by? Granted there may be some of the 5 that don't have the capacity to learn what was being taught - but a teacher can only see that and make suggestions for said student to address that - they can't fix it unless the dumb down the content to the level of the lowest performer.

Same is true of any manager / team member relationship. You manage the folks but at the end of the day they have to take accountability to use the advice given and perform. Only the manager / team member knows who truly failed when failures occur.
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The teacher/class analogy is a stretch. Unless you are assuming they have a say so in the students that they get or dont get.
 
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I love the ones defending the article based off of Daniel Hood's opinion yet disregard the opinions of the ones defending Jones. It's clear he made a mistake with Hurd and he caused more drama than some of you would like to admit but to suggest that the program is imploding is ridiculous.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Timing is everything. Those in the media know that. Attention was clearly on Tennessee yesterday with the announcement. Wait a week with no games and no big recruits confirming and the focus goes away and this story probably doesn't get the national attention that it could get by putting it out there when eyes are turned this way.

The intent with this is to ensure failure not to support fixing any problems that may or may not be within the program.
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You don't research and write a piece and get it through the editorial process in a matter of hours. This had to have been in the works for a few days at least.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I love the ones defending the article based off of Daniel Hood's opinion yet disregard the opinions of the ones defending Jones. It's clear he made a mistake with Hurd and he caused more drama than some of you would like to admit but to suggest that the program is imploding is ridiculous.
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doozer said:
Ok, so we've established you don't know how investigative journalism works.

Let's move on to deadlines. Do you understand how they work?
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To call this investigative journalism is a stretch. It's a pretty run of the mill news article. If you want some investigative journalism, check out Pro Publica.
 
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By the way, recruits know when a program is imploding and it is far from being terrible. Don't even suggest that Dooley's recruiting was as good as Jones' recruiting or Fulmer's last few classes; Kiffin's only class had an 80% attrition rate.
 
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The part that gave me a WTF? moment was the cat talking about how Jones isn't comfortable in his own skin and it adversely affecting recruiting......

After we've landed the #1 guy and having multiple top ten recruiting classes. Kinda makes me think the guy doesn't quite know what he's talking about.
 
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volgr said:
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As opposed to continuously hoping and wishing the program would implode so you can gloat is really helpful. I don't know why some of you even watch UT play. Butch Jones is going nowhere anytime soon no matter how much you want it to be true. I know you want to believe that if you complain enough somehow/someway the UT administration will fire CBJ or it shows that you have vastly superior football knowledge compared to those who don't whine incessantly. But again, it doesn't make any of it true.
 
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