Vols trending Down (247 article)

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#127
utvolpj said:
You've established nothing.

This isn't a newspaper that's already been printed. Anything online can be delayed, replaced or rolled back. Do you understand how the Internet works?
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So you want journalists to work with Butch on when the best time to release articles would be? LOL.
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm saying it could have easily been delayed. UT fans got half a day before they were kicked by yet another impartial UT site/reporter
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I'm a fan and I didn't get kicked....I appreciate the insight.
There are clearly problems in the program and fans have a right to know what they are. A head coach isn't going to get on camera and say "I really screwed up this year guys..give me that fat raise i'm asking for and i'll do better next year."
 
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utvolpj said:
Never said Haney made it all up. He likely only picked the quotes that gave him the story he wanted from the start. You really think Hood was the only one willing to say a positive thing about Butch?

If VN had taught us anything it's that insiders like to embellish when given the chance
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There's a lot of truth in that article.

I'm not going to elaborate further, but Travis tried vry hard to find people with a more favorable review of the current goings on to balance the story and could not. He also asked for comment from Butch and Hart two weeks ago, asked again after giving UT some of the quotes for the story, was told he would receive quotes or an interview with both Butch and Hart, and then UT never delivered on that.

If you want to blame someone for it being one-sided, then it lies at the feet of Ryan Robinson in media relations for dropping the ball on getting a response.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I dont see a way that UT goes that long without an AD.

I don't think he survives 8-4 again. If Hart was still under contract through that point and still a working AD I would feel the way you do on that tho.

In its current and most recent history I agree with your last statement. "I'll keep selling you a 25$ bologna samich, as long as you keep buying it."

I think the next AD is the first step away from the recent past.
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Hart is an incompetent fool. He would probably give Jones an extension this year if he wasn't afraid UT fans would storm his office with pitchforks.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I dont see a way that UT goes that long without an AD.

I don't think he survives 8-4 again. If Hart was still under contract through that point and still a working AD I would feel the way you do on that tho.

In its current and most recent history I agree with your last statement. "I'll keep selling you a 25$ bologna samich, as long as you keep buying it."

I think the next AD is the first step away from the recent past.
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i hope so, but even with a new AD, there's still the $$$ that has to buy in, literally, so the new AD will have a lot of work to do, regardless.

you can make the decision, but w/out the money to back it up, we just get another version of CBJ on the cheap.

basically, i'll believe the priorities have changed when i see it.
 
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So we have a BOOM with recruiting and a top recruit saying positive things about the program/ players and someone feels the need to write an article to basically say the opposite is true with "unnamed sources".

I am so tired of the agenda that is out there being pushed by some in an effort to undermine the football program. And that is exactly what it is.
 
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volgr said:
So you want journalists to work with Butch on when the best time to release articles would be? LOL.
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Where did I ever say that? This had nothing to do with Butch agreeing with anything

A site covering UT sports should have more class than to publish a hit piece the day after their biggest commit. Of course positives must be knocked back down by our lovely writers
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Can't agree with 11 wins this year but could meet you at 10-2.

But, to try and say we should have been 11-1 last year?? Thats laughable.
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We blew leads in the second half of all 4 games.... Bama was unrealistic to win.... OU, Arky, and UF should have all been wins. Where am I wrong on this?
 
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utvolpj said:
Where did I ever say that? This had nothing to do with Butch agreeing with anything

A site covering UT sports should have more class than to publish a hit piece the day after their biggest commit. Of course positives must be knocked back down by our lovely writers
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You don't have to say it. You've more than implied it.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I am so tired of the agenda that is out there being pushed by some in an effort to undermine the football program. And that is exactly what it is.
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The people undermining the football program work within the UT administration.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
There's a lot of truth in that article.

I'm not going to elaborate further, but Travis tried vry hard to find people with a more favorable review of the current goings on to balance the story and could not. He also asked for comment from Butch and Hart two weeks ago, asked again after giving UT some of the quotes for the story, was told he would receive quotes or an interview with both Butch and Hart, and then UT never delivered on that.

If you want to blame someone for it being one-sided, then it lies at the feet of Ryan Robinson in media relations for dropping the ball on getting a response.
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And there you have it.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i hope so, but even with a new AD, there's still the $$$ that has to buy in, literally, so the new AD will have a lot of work to do, regardless.

you can make the decision, but w/out the money to back it up, we just get another version of CBJ on the cheap.

basically, i'll believe the priorities have changed when i see it.
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I think the $$$/influential people will be the reason the next AD is who it is. I think some of that hurdle has already been cleared. Im not saying its 100% lock step but most up there agree on who the guy should be.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I think the $$$/influential people will be the reason the next AD is who it is. I think some of that hurdle has already been cleared. Im not saying its 100% lock step but most up there agree on who the guy should be.
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:thumbsup: i'm for it.
 
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govols120 said:
1. Unnamed sources is how journalism works in cases like this. A lot of the people interviewed likely either work with/in the program; if they reveal their name, they can lose their job. Anonymity > losing your job.

2. Haney is a phenomenal reporter. Whether you like what it says or not doesn't make it true or false. Facts are facts, one way or the other.
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This.
 
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ChattownVFL said:
'The culture is a disaster:' Jones, Vols trending the wrong way

Here's another smear piece.. someone has an agenda

edit: realized it's the same article
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Disaster = players flunking school and APR sinking.

Disaster = incidents like what happened at Vandy and Penn State

Disaster = players being punks on campus and not being active in the community

Disaster = recruiting violations that lead to NCAA penalties

The agenda is obvious - no mention of the positives.
 
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Vol4ever said:
All in all I think the article was written because of the media hype around the team on a national basis coming into this season. This season by all pre-season expectations was a bust.

Now its time to move on to a new year and not make the same mistakes. Some on here have to understand it has been 18 damn years since we have had anything near a good team. Heck Im in my late 50s and wonder if I will ever see a National Championship again.
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So the problem was expectations?
 
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volfan102455 said:
Disaster = players flunking school and APR sinking.

Disaster = incidents like what happened at Vandy and Penn State

Disaster = players being punks on campus and not being active in the community

Disaster = recruiting violations that lead to NCAA penalties

The agenda is obvious - no mention of the positives.
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agreed. disaster is a headline grabber, which is what they're supposed to do, so i don't have an issue with it.

but has it taken a hit? yeah. definitely.
 
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