Is Helfrich @ OC a legit discussion?

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I doubt it. He just got fired, why hitch your wagon to another guy who could be gone next year before the season is even finished.
 
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aRmo said:
If helfrich comes here and Butch wins 10 games.... Butch will get an extension. Hate to rain on your parade.
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Exactly. If Butch can let an OC come in and be an OC, and Shoop can bring his people in, then I like our chances. Quit micromanaging, win the East, etc. and Butch will either get an extension or have the ability to leave for somewhere else.

Win the East and keep us top 10 at end of year, he would feel a lot different about this place and his support.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
This is the most confusing part.

If you've got a guy that's interested why not make the room now if it is an upgrade?

Whoever is sitting on thier hand is killing the program
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I don't believe there is any delay on this end. Helfrich will have several options and would be foolish to make a decision within days of being let go. He is going to take some time and weigh a lot of options. I just think by our bowl game something probably a lot more enticing then Tennessee will placed before him. Tennessee would likely end up down his list of options.

The bigger issue regarding other coaches not on staff is Butch DOES NOT have any openings. Again, unless someone on the staff takes another job NOTHING is opening until after the bowl game. Butch will be in hire mode at that point
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Way to late to get anyone worth chasing, imo.
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We bought Bob Shoop after the Outback bowl at twice the salary the previous DC was making. You can get hires after a bowl game. Most coaching movement occurs during the coaches convention after the bowl games.
 
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LWSVOL said:
We bought Bob Shoop after the Outback bowl at twice the salary the previous DC was making. You can get hires after a bowl game. Most coaching movement occurs during the coaches convention after the bowl games.
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Good point. I hope there are decent options after the bowl, and coaches are not afraid to jump on.
 
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Aren't most good coaches micromanagers?
If they are not, when things go bad, they still take the heat, regardless, they have to have their finger on everything, if you think Saban does not, you are mistaken,
he is a detail guy.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
He won't win 10 though.
He'll be lucky if he doesent drop the opening game
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Respect your opinion. A guy that wins possibly 9 in back to back years here after how the last decade, yes decade, unfolded can absolutely win 10. That is by no means a stretch sir. I wouldn't go all in with the bitter, helpless, hopeless, giving up crowd. They're not being practical, logical, rational or reasonable. If being those 4 things means I'm a sunshine pumper, well, so be it.
 
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I would be thrilled with Helfrich as the OC. I think Shoop will be fine without having to use DE's and DT. Deboring could move to the OL, but I would be fine letting him ride off into the wasteland
 
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He's an Oregon guy through and through. He's banking $11+million through 2020 for staying home. He's 43 years old. I don't know what sort of family life he has, but the notion of him packing it all up to move to Tennessee seems a little bit of a stretch.

But, you never know. There's a lot of weird stuff that happens every year that I don't understand.

It's almost certain that ANY job he takes, short of another P5 HC job, nets him no income at all, as those earnings are just subtracted from the buyout. So, it's going to have to make sense for other good reasons.
 
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LWSVOL said:
The bigger issue regarding other coaches not on staff is Butch DOES NOT have any openings. Again, unless someone on the staff takes another job NOTHING is opening until after the bowl game. Butch will be in hire mode at that point
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Surely when the stakes are this high the terms can be agreed to without putting a pen to paper until the time is right.

And don't call you shirley...
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
He's an Oregon guy through and through. He's banking $11+million through 2020 for staying home. He's 43 years old. I don't know what sort of family life he has, but the notion of him packing it all up to move to Tennessee seems a little bit of a stretch.

But, you never know. There's a lot of weird stuff that happens every year that I don't understand.

It's almost certain that ANY job he takes, short of another P5 HC job, nets him no income at all, as those earnings are just subtracted from the buyout. So, it's going to have to make sense for other good reasons.
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Well I know he won't be out of coaching for 3 years. That would be death for his career. I could see him taking a year off and then perhaps being a coordinator or position coach in the league.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
Respect your opinion. A guy that wins possibly 9 in back to back years here after how the last decade, yes decade, unfolded can absolutely win 10. That is by no means a stretch sir. I wouldn't go all in with the bitter, helpless, hopeless, giving up crowd. They're not being practical, logical, rational or reasonable. If being those 4 things means I'm a sunshine pumper, well, so be it.
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If he couldn't win 10 now he won't win 10.
Anyone can make a solid case why Tennessee won't be as good next year.
I know a lot of people think the triple option is old and outdated but if you haven't seen it or it's been a while it can be very hard to defend. Take that into consideration with Tennessee doesent play foundamentally sound football and you have a recipe for disaster.
I don't have the confidence in Shoop right now to know he will have them ready. He delt with injuries most of the season and Tennessee never got better as a unit on D they only managed to get worse week after week.
Butch needs to clean house outside of Shoop because in the end he did what he was suppose to do: beat Florida if he wants himself and Tennessee to take the next step.
 
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LWSVOL said:
We bought Bob Shoop after the Outback bowl at twice the salary the previous DC was making. You can get hires after a bowl game. Most coaching movement occurs during the coaches convention after the bowl games.
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Tennessee paid to much.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
If he couldn't win 10 now he won't win 10.
Anyone can make a solid case why Tennessee won't be as good next year.
I know a lot of people think the triple option is old and outdated but if you haven't seen it or it's been a while it can be very hard to defend. Take that into consideration with Tennessee doesent play foundamentally sound football and you have a recipe for disaster.
I don't have the confidence in Shoop right now to know he will have them ready. He delt with injuries most of the season and Tennessee never got better as a unit on D they only managed to get worse week after week.
Butch needs to clean house outside of Shoop because in the end he did what he was suppose to do: beat Florida if he wants himself and Tennessee to take the next step.
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Oh For **** sake ...the triple option? Your agenda is clear, but come on. Let's bring on Paul Johnson.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
If he couldn't win 10 now he won't win 10.
Anyone can make a solid case why Tennessee won't be as good next year.
I know a lot of people think the triple option is old and outdated but if you haven't seen it or it's been a while it can be very hard to defend. Take that into consideration with Tennessee doesent play foundamentally sound football and you have a recipe for disaster.
I don't have the confidence in Shoop right now to know he will have them ready. He delt with injuries most of the season and Tennessee never got better as a unit on D they only managed to get worse week after week.
Butch needs to clean house outside of Shoop because in the end he did what he was suppose to do: beat Florida if he wants himself and Tennessee to take the next step.
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Your first sentence is just laughably false. Hahahahahahahaha.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Helfrich coached Marriota
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And no one else. Mariotta made him, not the other way around. Helfrich has been a failure about identifying and developing successful quarterbacks. For Tennessee to hire this clown would be a major fail.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
I do believe he could turn out like Dabo if he truly was willing to change. He's proven to be a heck of a recruiter and disciplinarian in his time here. He just needs to focus on things like that and let the OC and DC do their thing!
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Crap. If Butch was to do this he could turn into Dabo Swinney as well.
 
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