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Butch just needs to do what Saban and Meyer does. Hire the best assistants available and be the CEO. He already has Shoop. No go get a top OC and let's run this thing.
 
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I heard Chris Lowe on the Swain show this morning. He talked about Tennessee's season, the AD search and the Vandy game.

1. Tennessee's season: He used the word "unfulfilling" when he described it. He said it still had some good qualities and would be a pretty good season if we can get to the Sugar Bowl. He laughed a little about the champions of life comment but added that he had no doubt that the coaches and players were disappointed after losing to SC. He thought Butch just could not say it in public because there were still games to be played and does not want the players to let up.

2. On the AD search: He said that he thought Blackburn was the best candidate, but also thought that Jon Gilbert would make an excellent AD. He also mentioned that he thought Gilbert will be an AD somewhere, soon, and mentioned Bama after Battle retires. He also said that given our administration's pattern the last 10 years, he is not convinced that they will go with either. He said that they may still reach out to an AD with more experience like Mitch Barnhart. He also mentioned a couple of other names that I cannot recall. He seemed to think that Blackburn or Gilbert would be best but is not certain that is how the search committee will go.

3. On Vandy: He mentioned how good their scoring defense has been and also mentioned that they played poorly against Missouri. He thinks it will be somewhat low scoring (take the under at 54) and that Tennessee would find a way to win in a close game.
 
#3,879
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omghulkhands said:
you think someone (even multiple someone's) would sabotage the entire team and their own career prospects to make another person they don't like...look bad?

I think it's utterly ridiculous and even if it were true, those players should also be kicked off the team
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I'm not accusing anybody of sandbagging intentionally. But I do think there's some psychology that could potentially play here. It's natural to work harder for somebody you actually like. It's also natural to work harder when you can see the positive results... as opposed to Hurd, who would run up his lead blocker's ass two yards downfield and then glare at them like they did something wrong.

There are other possible explanations, of course. Maybe I'm just seeing a good offense teeing off on some poor defenses - no doubt that the LBs and safeties suiting up for UK and Mizzou are much easier to block than those at Florida or Bama. Or maybe Hurd just always missed the right cut and would get tackled before Croom (or anybody else) could set blocks downfield. Anyway, it's just a theory that I find interesting (and preferable to the bickering going on in here this week, TBH).
 
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On the Peyton thing , I was saying I was surprised his name hadn't come up in this ridiculous discussion the last few days.

As far as if he would ever coach here, who knows? Harbaugh came back to Michigan and is doing well. Granted, he had previous coaching experience and success beforehand.

But yeah, it's risky the way this fanbase turns poisonous so fast. I can see it now, lose a game we're not supposed to and it'll be: "great QB , terrible coach" , "he shoulda went straight to the commentator's booth; not coaching material"
 
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Atzar said:
I'm not accusing anybody of sandbagging intentionally. But I do think there's some psychology that could potentially play here. It's natural to work harder for somebody you actually like. It's also natural to work harder when you can see the positive results... as opposed to Hurd, who would run up his lead blocker's ass two yards downfield and then glare at them like they did something wrong.

There are other possible explanations, of course. Maybe I'm just seeing a good offense teeing off on some poor defenses - no doubt that the LBs and safeties suiting up for UK and Mizzou are much easier to block than those at Florida or Bama. Or maybe Hurd just always missed the right cut and would get tackled before Croom (or anybody else) could set blocks downfield. Anyway, it's just a theory that I find interesting (and preferable to the bickering going on in here this week, TBH).
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Do you mean to actually discuss football instead of personal attacks on other posters for their views whether positive or negative?

Novel thought.
 
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volssam said:
On the Peyton thing , I was saying I was surprised his name hadn't come up in this ridiculous discussion the last few days.

As far as if he would ever coach here, who knows? Harbaugh came back to Michigan and is doing well. Granted, he had previous coaching experience and success beforehand.

But yeah, it's risky the way this fanbase turns poisonous so fast. I can see it now, lose a game we're not supposed to and it'll be: "great QB , terrible coach" , "he shoulda went straight to the commentator's booth; not coaching material"
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Peyton should stay away from coaching. He should take over a team similar to Elway or get in the booth. Preferably the booth. He would be outstanding in the booth
 
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NMVol said:
Double standard much: Gruden has been out of coaching much longer than DeBord was.
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Gruden name carries a ton more weight in recruiting. That is what would help him in college. He would be able to pull kids day 1 he stepped on a campus. Long time rust is worrisome but he also watches so much film and sees the games as he calls them and coaches QBs all the time in camp. All of the best QBs college has to offer. So he is closer to the game than Debord was. Moot point it ain't happening as much as people dream
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Does Saban ever do stuff like this? Butch is a class act
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Yes. He had the team do a lot around the community when they had those bad tornadoes

Most football coaches are good people and the best influences many of these kids have

That just isn't a good media story
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Gruden name carries a ton more weight in recruiting. That is what would help him in college. He would be able to pull kids day 1 he stepped on a campus. Long time rust is worrisome but he also watches so much film and sees the games as he calls them and coaches QBs all the time in camp. All of the best QBs college has to offer. So he is closer to the game than Debord was. Moot point it ain't happening as much as people dream
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He also won a super bowl so...,

Edit. Too slow bass master got me!!
 
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VolGee4 said:
They have a 5 star and 4 star who start at WR. They just don't have anyone to throw them the ball. They also 4 stars on the OL, and the defense is one of the best, if not the best, in the league. Their secondary is outstanding as is Arden Key.
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Malone- 5 star
Jennings- 4 star
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Peyton should stay away from coaching. He should take over a team similar to Elway or get in the booth. Preferably the booth. He would be outstanding in the booth
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I love Peyton, love the guy. But having connections and experience in the media here in Indy, I've had the chance to discuss this on several occasions. The consensus from folks that have been in these discussions is to the contrary. He over prepares and can't leave the player aspect behind. Meaning, he'd come off a little too ridged and uncomfortable, and maybe too X's and O's to the ears and eyes of the common viewers.

Personally, I think his best bet is to take a coach position with a team - once the endorsement contracts are up - and start a new career working up the ladder that way. If he wants to lead a team again. With his business sense, like you point out, he'd be a great GM or President of Operations.
 
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On vandy, I could see us coming out flat like SC and losing a close one, with all the disappointment and surprising negativity circulating in the media and our fanbase. If so, something is really amiss in the program and maybe I will become concerned.

But my heart and head at this point think we come out ready to roll. I think Butch has done a great job managing issues in the locker room once they became apparent and refocusing this team (thus I think he should be a darkhorse coach of the year candidate). I think Kongo starts at DT and that interception gives him the jolt of confidence he needs to start dominating. Vandy holds us down in the first half but the OL and the Dobbs/Kelly/Kamara monster wears them out in the second half.

38-17 Vols.
 
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vol2002 said:
On vandy, I could see us coming out flat like SC and losing a close one, with all the disappointment and surprising negativity circulating in the media and our fanbase. If so, something is really amiss in the program and maybe I will become concerned.

But my heart and head at this point think we come out ready to roll. I think Butch has done a great job managing issues in the locker room once they became apparent and refocusing this team (thus I think he should be a darkhorse coach of the year candidate). I think Kongo starts at DT and that interception gives him the jolt of confidence he needs to start dominating. Vandy holds us down in the first half but the OL and the Dobbs/Kelly/Kamara monster wears them out in the second half.

38-17 Vols.
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Hoping Bain is healthy, we see him and Mosley getting snaps at DT.
 
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Hey nick, are you going to have the Vandy thread ready by kickoff??? You act like there are more important things to be doing or something.
 
#3,893
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
My thoughts on the rumors and all this negativity. I unlike some here never forgot sitting in Neyland during the Florida game in 2012 and watching us piss it away. I never forgot what 2008 felt like when we knew it was time for Fulmer to go and in 2009 when Kiffin bolted following a 7 win season where we were excited to go to a bowl game. I never forgot wondering every year during Dooley if we'd even make a bowl game and hoping we would to get extra practices in for early enrollees. I also don't forget the excitement of the turnaround Butch made with recruiting, culture and on the field success measured by increasing wins.

I don't know how the remainder of this season will play out but here are my wants for head coaches next year.

1. Butch Jones = Thanks coach and keep building this thing. If you reach your apex, I appreciate the rebuild and thank you for it.


2. David Cutcliffe = If Butch doesn't stay, I'm ready for a tactician that has roots to our great school to come home. Hell, bring Chavis with ya!


3. Dan Mullen = Similar reasons as Coach C and a QB whisperer. I would love to see what he could do at a better program.


4. Charlie Strong = If all others weren't available, I would like to see what he could do back in the south.
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Dan Mullen or cutcliffe would be home run hires. I think Mullen would kill it at a school with the resources like UT
 
#3,894
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Absolutely. That was the dumbest post that I read this entire week.
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Lol yeah Saying that they're both good recruiters but bad in game coaches is tottaallyyy ludicrous.

I said nothing about the shape of the program they each inherited because that wasn't the comparison.
 
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