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Catbone said:
It's not acceptable to anyone in the SEC except Vandy, UK, and Mississippi State. Why should it be for us, who historically is a very good program?
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That's what I'm wondering. Way too many of our fans have settled for "improvement" & being happy with that since we've sucked ass for so long. Harbaugh has proven that a major program can turn it around in a year or two.

Butch can't win the east with it being handed to him on a silver platter two years in a row with an extremely talented roster. He's never going to win it.
 
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YorkVol said:
The problem with this scenario is it requires Butch to leave on his own and not get fired. If he were to be fired after a 10-3 season, especially by a new AD, no one, I mean no one would want to come here. The new AD would have to have a future hall of fame coach in his pocket ready to start immediately to be remotely confident he could work this through the boosters and board successfully. With the other big name schools out there looking for coaches, the chances he would have someone are pretty slim.

Now, he could quit or get hired by another school who recognizes what he's done and needs a rebuild. But the chances of that are pretty slim also.

So, like him or not, he's here for at least one more season, probably a minimum of two. They will do their end of season review, replace some assistants, finish up the recruiting class and start working on team 121.
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I wouldn't exactly call my post a scenario.

Actually, no scenario at all was discussed.
 
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amazingGRACE said:
That's what I'm wondering. Way too many of our fans have settled for "improvement" & being happy with that since we've sucked ass for so long. Harbaugh has proven that a major program can turn it around in a year or two.

Butch can't win the east with it being handed to him on a silver platter two years in a row with an extremely talented roster. He's never going to win it.
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It's some serious revisionist history to act like last year Butch was expected to win the east and it was a major failure that he didn't.

This year was a disappointment but to act like he is the only coach to ever fail to meet expectations and this means that he will never win is flat out dumb.

And comparing Michigans rebuild to ours is flat out wrong. Hoke and RichRod could recruit, and didn't leave the roster anything like ours was. Fans are "settling" for improvement because we think we can continue to improve.
 
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BJHSVol said:
It's some serious revisionist history to act like last year Butch was expected to win the east and it was a major failure that he didn't.

This year was a disappointment but to act like he is the only coach to ever fail to meet expectations and this means that he will never win is flat out dumb.

And comparing Michigans rebuild to ours is flat out wrong. Hoke and RichRod could recruit, and didn't leave the roster anything like ours was. Fans are "settling" for improvement because we think we can continue to improve.
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Where did I say he was expected to win it last year? I said he couldn't when it was handed to him.

Was Florida expected to win it this year? No. But they capitalized when it was handed to them by us.
 
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Ok real question. Correct me if I'm wrong. We need the following to happen to get possibly get to Sugar Bowl:

Tennessee win vs Vanderbilt

LSU win vs Texas AM

FSU win vs Florida

Bama win vs Auburn

And Bama win vs Florida
 
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Catbone said:
Ok real question. Correct me if I'm wrong. We need the following to happen to get possibly get to Sugar Bowl:

Tennessee win vs Vanderbilt

LSU win vs Texas AM

FSU win vs Florida

Bama win vs Auburn

And Bama win vs Florida
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I am not sure A&M has to lose
 
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BJHSVol said:
It's some serious revisionist history to act like last year Butch was expected to win the east and it was a major failure that he didn't.

This year was a disappointment but to act like he is the only coach to ever fail to meet expectations and this means that he will never win is flat out dumb.

And comparing Michigans rebuild to ours is flat out wrong. Hoke and RichRod could recruit, and didn't leave the roster anything like ours was. Fans are "settling" for improvement because we think we can continue to improve.
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What makes you think it can continue?

Recruiting has dropped off substantially. He sold recruits on 2016 & beyond & we came up short. Everyone said 16 class was a "depth" class & wasn't ever supposed to be highly rated which makes ZERO sense.

Then they say "win the east & recruiting will take care of itself". Well we see what happened there.

Granted we'll finish with a decent class but decent isn't gonna win championships here.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Top 5 classes consistently in order to win the East and make it to the playoff/
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Just wait for the football season, they said. All those wins will have the blue chips lining up, they said.

Is that still the party line if we make it to 9-3?
 
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Catbone said:
It's not acceptable to anyone in the SEC except Vandy, UK, and Mississippi State. Why should it be for us, who historically is a very good program?
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Historically, since 1998 we haven't done squat.

Grow up, butch has done exactly what he was hired to do. Rebuild. Anyone thinking this wouldn't take 4-5 years is being unrealistic for OUR situation. I don't care what others have done becuse they didn't have the problems we did.

Next year y'all can complain when we don't have a shot at 10 or more.
 
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I've been passing out likes like...

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But most of y'all get coal
 
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Catbone said:
Ok real question. Correct me if I'm wrong. We need the following to happen to get possibly get to Sugar Bowl:

Tennessee win vs Vanderbilt

LSU win vs Texas AM

FSU win vs Florida

Bama win vs Auburn

And Bama win vs Florida
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Also, I'm not sure the SEC Championship game will have that much bearing on it. I can see both teams in the playoffs if Florida wins. The committee would skyrocket Florida in that case.
 
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Sugaray13 said:
I didn't realize it either. I just wished they would have let him run more through the year.
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I still can't understand why we don't just turn him loose every game. It baffles and frustrates me to no end. Hope we continue to let him do his thing on Saturday. We will need him running free.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Also, I'm not sure the SEC Championship game will have that much bearing on it. I can see both teams in the playoffs if Florida wins. The committee would skyrocket Florida in that case.
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I will die if florida gets into the playoffs
 
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amazingGRACE said:
What makes you think it can continue?

Recruiting has dropped off substantially. He sold recruits on 2016 & beyond & we came up short. Everyone said 16 class was a "depth" class & wasn't ever supposed to be highly rated which makes ZERO sense.

Then they say "win the east & recruiting will take care of itself". Well we see what happened there.

Granted we'll finish with a decent class but decent isn't gonna win championships here.
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I would say dropped substantially is a stretch. I also think it's overblown that top 10 classes every year is a hard and fast requirement to be good. The difference between a class sitting in the 12-15 range and a top 10 class is smaller than people think.

Granted I've seen enough that i might downgrade my faith in Butch to slightly skeptical, but I think it's overblown to say there's no hope
 
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We have the most ungrateful fanbase in all of college football. 4 short years ago we couldn't make a bowl game, and now with a win Saturday, we have a very good chance to go to the Sugar Bowl. Yet, our fanbase whines, because our coach makes a comment that has been taken completely out of context, that shows he is happy that his players are prepared to deal with life after football.

And y'all wonder why we can never have anything nice at TN. Grow up! It's sickening.

Mark this down...if we win Saturday and our bowl game, Butch will get offered another prestigious coaching job at somewhere like Notre Dame, Texas, or such, and he will take it. Honestly, I hope he does...Tennessee doesn't deserve him.
 
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amazingGRACE said:
I said he rebuilt our roster & did a good job doing it.

This year is a failure based on expectations though. Unless our expectations have shifted to 8-9 wins with a chance at 10 every few years. Which is acceptable for wayyyyy too many of our fans.
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I said 10-2 and not winning the East would be disappointing. But the gnashing of teeth is ridiculous. He will make changes. He is the victim of his own success because he built the roster that should have won.
 
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Memphisvol87 said:
Historically, since 1998 we haven't done squat.

Grow up, butch has done exactly what he was hired to do. Rebuild. Anyone thinking this wouldn't take 4-5 years is being unrealistic for OUR situation. I don't care what others have done becuse they didn't have the problems we did.

Next year y'all can complain when we don't have a shot at 10 or more.
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This is year 4. Everybody knew this was our year that's why he got somewhat of a pass last year for pissing away OU, UF, & Arkansas games.

"Recruiting will just explode after we win the east"....well?

And we're losing Dobbs, Kamara, Weisman, Sutton, JRM, Barnett, Croom, Lewis, Vereen, Foreman...possibly Malone.

Probably looking at another 8 win season next year too. I think the lack of development from our OL will cost us games especially if Dormady is our QB. Not because he isn't good but Dobbs ability to break tackles & constantly escape pressure can't be underestimated.
 
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