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McGeesPub said:
Man, great analysis. Of course, nowhere in this subtopic is anyone talking about replacing Butch. My point is that money, not a message board- and no volssam, to reply to your post in this one as well- nor the vibe from the fans is going to determine a whether a coach will be taking a multimillion dollar job. There are other factors at play, like how big a rebuild it may be, location; but the fanbase is not one of them.

You need to become more familiar with your own program, though. UT may have the 6 million, but the next time they spend that will be the first time (even adjusting for inflation).
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I'll be taking Writervol's directive from earlier and say I'm gonna have to agree to disagree.
 
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volssam said:
Butch and the Vols lost a game to South Carolina they shouldn't have lost. This is true, but....

Dabo and Clemson lost to Pitt
The great Harbaugh and Michigan lost to Iowa
The great Urbs and OSU lost to Penn state
Gus and Auburn lost to a bad UGA team
Kirby and UGA lost to vandy
Freeze and Ole Miss lost to vandy
Sumlin and A&M lost to Mississippi state
Fuente and VA Tech lost to Syracuse
Jimbo and FSU lost to UNC
Gundy and OK State lost to Central Michigan
The great Herman and Houston lost to Navy and SMU
The great Dantonio and Sparty has lost to everybody

It happens to literally every single coach. Without exception. It doesn't happen often to Saban but it happens.

But some fans want Butch gone or at least his seat to be flaming hot. And then in such a toxic environment, Butch's coachspeak gets blown out of proportion.

And y'all wonder why some big time coaches are wary of coming here.
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Not it doesn't! You made all that up! Butch is the only coach who loses games he shouldn't!
 
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McGeesPub said:
Man, great analysis. Of course, nowhere in this subtopic is anyone talking about replacing Butch. My point is that money, not a message board- and no volssam, to reply to your post in this one as well- nor the vibe from the fans is going to determine a whether a coach will be taking a multimillion dollar job. There are other factors at play, like how big a rebuild it may be, location; but the fanbase is not one of them.

You need to become more familiar with your own program, though. UT may have the 6 million, but the next time they spend that will be the first time (even adjusting for inflation).
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When everyone has money, then money isn't the number one factor anymore cause you can get that anywhere that wants to win.

The other stuff is at play more than money at that point. That includes fan expectations, job security, expectations of program, roster, job difficulty, program potential etc.
 
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volssam said:
Let's say we win out, including the sugar (or even citrus) and go 10-3, and finish around if not in the top 10

And let's say Florida loses their last three and goes 8-5, including losing to bama by 30, and finishes out of the top 25.
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Which would y'all say was better?
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Let this happen please, tho they would be 9-5
 
#2,636
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McGeesPub said:
They may have it, but they don't spend it the same.
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Enough programs are out there that can outspend us.

Take this year for example. Texas LSU and Oregon are going coach hunting. Possibly notre dame. All of these programs offer a better situation for a coach even if we offered more money.
 
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C'mon. Everybody so touchy about the reaction would be roaring with laughter if another SEC program got roasted like that. Laugh and it goes away. Getting defensive just gives it legs.
 
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McGeesPub said:
I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is in his time here, he's lost numerous games he should have won in relation to winning games he should have lost.
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I agree. Last year we should have beaten Florida and Arkansas. OU, even though we had them beat and should have won, at least they were a good team and made the playoff. We had no business losing to florida. But, it's not like we were huge favorites in those games and had we just lost straight up it would have been different. The endings of the games and the way they played out is what made them so bad. Butch really on has one bad loss, and that is SC this year.
 
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volssam said:
Butch and the Vols lost a game to South Carolina they shouldn't have lost. This is true, but....

Dabo and Clemson lost to Pitt
The great Harbaugh and Michigan lost to Iowa
The great Urbs and OSU lost to Penn state
Gus and Auburn lost to a bad UGA team
Kirby and UGA lost to vandy
Freeze and Ole Miss lost to vandy
Sumlin and A&M lost to Mississippi state
Fuente and VA Tech lost to Syracuse
Jimbo and FSU lost to UNC
Gundy and OK State lost to Central Michigan
The great Herman and Houston lost to Navy and SMU
The great Dantonio and Sparty has lost to everybody

It happens to literally every single coach. Without exception. It doesn't happen often to Saban but it happens.

But some fans want Butch gone or at least his seat to be flaming hot. And then in such a toxic environment, Butch's coachspeak gets blown out of proportion.

And y'all wonder why some big time coaches are wary of coming here.
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This is all true, and his coach speak is tiresome, but are there a whole lot of people who really want Butch fired?
 
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volssam said:
Butch and the Vols lost a game to South Carolina they shouldn't have lost. This is true, but....

Dabo and Clemson lost to Pitt
The great Harbaugh and Michigan lost to Iowa
The great Urbs and OSU lost to Penn state
Gus and Auburn lost to a bad UGA team
Kirby and UGA lost to vandy
Freeze and Ole Miss lost to vandy
Sumlin and A&M lost to Mississippi state
Fuente and VA Tech lost to Syracuse
Jimbo and FSU lost to UNC
Gundy and OK State lost to Central Michigan
The great Herman and Houston lost to Navy and SMU
The great Dantonio and Sparty has lost to everybody

It happens to literally every single coach. Without exception. It doesn't happen often to Saban but it happens.

But some fans want Butch gone or at least his seat to be flaming hot. And then in such a toxic environment, Butch's coachspeak gets blown out of proportion.

And y'all wonder why some big time coaches are wary of coming here.
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The issue is, UT had the opportunity to make it to the SEC championship for the first time in a decade and they came out flat against USCe. They've come out flat all year.

The difference between Butch and the mentioned coaches, is those coaches have bad losses, but most of them have GREAT wins. Where's Butch's GREAT wins?

I'll support the guy this next year as much as I always have, but the frustration with him is easy to understand.
 
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volssam said:
Butch and the Vols lost a game to South Carolina they shouldn't have lost. This is true, but....

Dabo and Clemson lost to Pitt
The great Harbaugh and Michigan lost to Iowa
The great Urbs and OSU lost to Penn state
Gus and Auburn lost to a bad UGA team
Kirby and UGA lost to vandy
Freeze and Ole Miss lost to vandy
Sumlin and A&M lost to Mississippi state
Fuente and VA Tech lost to Syracuse
Jimbo and FSU lost to UNC
Gundy and OK State lost to Central Michigan
The great Herman and Houston lost to Navy and SMU
The great Dantonio and Sparty has lost to everybody

It happens to literally every single coach. Without exception. It doesn't happen often to Saban but it happens.

But some fans want Butch gone or at least his seat to be flaming hot. And then in such a toxic environment, Butch's coachspeak gets blown out of proportion.

And y'all wonder why some big time coaches are wary of coming here.
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Problem is you're comparing a lot of guys who have won a whole hell of a lot of championships to a guy who hasn't won jack squat. You get a bit more leeway when you have accomplished something. Also, a few of those guys are still sitting squarely in the college playoff picture right now.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
When everyone has money, then money isn't the number one factor anymore cause you can get that anywhere that wants to win.

The other stuff is at play more than money at that point. That includes fan expectations, job security, expectations of program, roster, job difficulty, program potential etc.
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Man I wish I lived in your world, where I had access to everyone's money whether they wanted to spend it or not.

Id be shocked if a coach at this level has ever, ever said that "Those fans expect too much, I'm not going there." Difficult administration to work with, I get it. But SEC coaches are so insulated from fan comments that it's not part of the day to day.

Maybe the coach in Waterboy.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Man I wish I lived in your world, where I had access to everyone's money whether they wanted to spend it or not.

Id be shocked if a coach at this level has ever, ever said that "Those fans expect too much, I'm not going there." Difficult administration to work with, I get it. But SEC coaches are so insulated from fan comments that it's not part of the day to day.

Maybe the coach in Waterboy.
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My point wasn't to argue that fans comments play a factor. My point was to let you know that money isn't the factor you think it is.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Enough programs are out there that can outspend us.

Take this year for example. Texas LSU and Oregon are going coach hunting. Possibly notre dame. All of these programs offer a better situation for a coach even if we offered more money.
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Well, you've totally contradicted yourself. Either everyone has money and it's not a factor, or programs with deeper pockets can write bigger checks, and probably get who they want.

Interested to see how you try to pivot out of this one.
 
#2,648
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You go to any message board (or listen to any radio station/Finebaum) and fans are just like ours.

Atlanta Radio already has a love/hate relationship with Smart, and last year, they were moaning about not recruiting Dobbs.
 
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SeanJean said:
Problem is you're comparing a lot of guys who have won a whole hell of a lot of championships to a guy who hasn't won jack squat. You get a bit more leeway when you have accomplished something. Also, a few of those guys are still sitting squarely in the college playoff picture right now.
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This. Plus It's not just black & white "we lost a game we shouldn't have big deal everyone does"

We had soooo much riding on the line this season for the first time in a decade. East is never going to be as bad as it has been for the last two years & we still pissed away our chance at Atlanta both years.

But yay...life championship winners.
 
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