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I didn't vote in part because I'm not in a swing state, and it wouldn't have mattered. But also I didn't because it would have been more voting against who I didn't want to win versus who I did want to win. While watching though, I found myself pulling for Trump. He's the under-qualified, unpredictable candidate. But Clinton is completely untrustworthy. So, I'll take under-qualified and unpredictable.
 
So the dems are mad at libertarians saying we cost them the election. Personally I think people just got fed up with the aggressive PC agenda. So all you Trump sheep you're welcome-now lets see what kind of sh!t show we get for the next four years and hope we don't start world war III.
 
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So the dems are mad at libertarians saying we cost them the election. Personally I think people just got fed up with the aggressive PC agenda. So all you Trump sheep you're welcome-now lets see what kind of sh!t show we get for the next four years and hope we don't start world war III.

Just keep rollin em hippie...won't feel a thing. :cool2:
 
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YES! YES! YES! I stayed up until 3:30 am. Couldn't believe what I was seeing. When they called FL for him after he had won Ohio and NC I kept saying please don't be teasing me. LOL When they call Wisconsin I went nuts I knew then He has pulled off an upset. I waited and waited thinking, surely he can't take PA you got to be kidding me! My household went nuts about 3: 30 AM! WOOOOOHOOOOO!
 
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YES! YES! YES! I stayed up until 3:30 am. Couldn't believe what I was seeing. When they called FL for him after he had won Ohio and NC I kept saying please don't be teasing me. LOL When they call Wisconsin I went nuts I knew then He has pulled off an upset. I waited and waited thinking, surely he can't take PA you got to be kidding me! My household went nuts about 3: 30 AM! WOOOOOHOOOOO!

As Dr. Ben Carson always says, "We the People." We matter. The Constitution matters. Defending America as a nation and not some identity-less, globalist, new world order junk that the slime Soros wants. The movement needs to grow into every aspect of American lives.
 
right on man! at least the marijuana bills passed...puff puff...passed!

Every year we get a state...man!
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4 million votes for Gary Johnson last night too, the most every for the Libertarian party!
 
right on man! at least the marijuana bills passed...puff puff...passed!

I am very much in favor of many Libertarian ideals but some I can't get behind. On the official Libertarian Party Platform they state the following:

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.



However, they say a couple of paragraphs later:

1.7 Crime and Justice

The prescribed role of government is to protect the rights of every individual including the right to life, liberty and property. Criminal laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.

1.8 Death Penalty

We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state.

1.9 Self-Defense
The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.


Libertarians are basically pro-choice when it comes to abortion. However, they believe the only crimes that the government should maintain are those that deprive individuals of either life, liberty, or property. Abortion does all three to the unborn child.

Libertarians are opposed to the death penalty being administered by the state but they are ok with children being sentenced to death. The majority of abortions take place because people are unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.

The first line of the first plank of the libertarian platform says:
1.0 Personal Liberty

Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and must accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make.

Less than 10% of abortions occur for reasons of health issues for either the mother or the child. Less than .5% occur due to rape or incest, which is one of the main platforms of the pro-abortion advocates like HRC. In fact abortions occur mostly because the woman stated she was unready to have a child (25%), too immature or too young (7%), attempting to avoid single parenthood (8%), already have all the children they want (19%), having a baby would interfere with school or career plans (4%), or state they can't afford a baby (23%). That sounds like irresponsible people ducking out and killing an unborn child to avoid the consequences of their actions.


No political party is perfect but I am very against abortion for a variety of reasons. I have never had to personally face the situation where my child or that of my wife were in danger due to a pregnancy so I cannot fathom the decision that parents in that situation are facing. However, the other 86% of abortions that occurred because people were irresponsible or didn't want to be inconvenienced by a child are inexcusable IMO. How many doctors, artists, inventors, leaders, etc were struck down before they ever took their first breath of air. There are lines of people trying to adopt children and they are being killed in droves by people who are avoiding their responsibilities.

Anyway. Rant over. I would love to see a viable Libertarian candidate but it is going to be a while.


https://www.lp.org/platform/

Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
 
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So basically you are against the party because of abortion. They are [pro-choice across the board, not just with abortions as you stated-accept the responsibility of the choices you make. They also very firmly believe it is up to the states to decide their own laws so maybe live in a state that suits your beliefs?

Also I'd like to hear Trump's views on abortion...like his real ones not the lip service he paid to get elected.

We have a viable candidate and hopefully the growth of the party will bring out an even more viable one next election. Its pretty obvious the old rules are out the window now so its time to make some noise.
 
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glicht - as a fellow Christian, the problem with the Libertarian approach is that aspect of the current approach attempts to avoid corporate judgment for sin. In many ways I agree with their points. But staying totally out of cultural issues that God has clearly addressed in both individual and corporate ways is not wise.

Abortion is murder per in-context scripture. Period. End of story. God knows the person in the womb. Jesus cautions to never harm a child. The minority of sinful causes of an unwanted pregnancy as an excuse for murder are also not relevant in my interpretation. God used sinful actions for his will and common good throughout, and still does today. To take a life, especially somebody that has done absolutely nothing to cause the life to be taken, is reprehensible in my book. Have the baby and give him/her up for adoption to one of millions of couples that want a child. Then, for the 85% or so that had willing sex, learn to control the impulses and stop behaving like animals.
 
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glicht - as a fellow Christian, the problem with the Libertarian approach is that aspect of the current approach attempts to avoid corporate judgment for sin. In many ways I agree with their points. But staying totally out of cultural issues that God has clearly addressed in both individual and corporate ways is not wise.

Abortion is murder per in-context scripture. Period. End of story. God knows the person in the womb. Jesus cautions to never harm a child. The minority of sinful causes of an unwanted pregnancy as an excuse for murder are also not relevant in my interpretation. God used sinful actions for his will and common good throughout, and still does today. To take a life, especially somebody that has done absolutely nothing to cause the life to be taken, is reprehensible in my book. Have the baby and give him/her up for adoption to one of millions of couples that want a child. Then, for the 85% or so that had willing sex, learn to control their impulses and stop behaving like animals.

Excellent post!! Post of the year, IMO! :hi:
 
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I have a lot of libertarian leanings but I find several things in their platform contradictory. One thing is legalizing all drugs for recreational use. They say that nothing should be illegal if it doesn't affect other when drug use does affect others. It affects people like me that have been burglarized several times when the sole motivation was getting money for drugs. It affects the tax payer when we have to support people that can't fend for themselves because of drug addiction. If drugs truly didn't affect others negatively I wouldn't have a problem with people putting whatever in their bodies. But the fact remains that it does affect people negatively.
 
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glicht - as a fellow Christian, the problem with the Libertarian approach is that aspect of the current approach attempts to avoid corporate judgment for sin. In many ways I agree with their points. But staying totally out of cultural issues that God has clearly addressed in both individual and corporate ways is not wise.

Abortion is murder per in-context scripture. Period. End of story. God knows the person in the womb. Jesus cautions to never harm a child. The minority of sinful causes of an unwanted pregnancy as an excuse for murder are also not relevant in my interpretation. God used sinful actions for his will and common good throughout, and still does today. To take a life, especially somebody that has done absolutely nothing to cause the life to be taken, is reprehensible in my book. Have the baby and give him/her up for adoption to one of millions of couples that want a child. Then, for the 85% or so that had willing sex, learn to control the impulses and stop behaving like animals.

Agreed. I believe in being productive and being held to account for your actions.

Newt. I like the libertarian party but my faith cannot reconcile abortion. It just doesn't fit. As a nation it is imperative that we protect life. We send aid to foreign countries to feed starving children. We fund agencies like the World Health Organization to help fight AIDS and other horrible epidemics in Africa. Then we sit back and watch as over 1 million children are murdered in our country every year because someone didn't want to be inconvenienced with a child. Sorry. If you believe in protecting life and if you believe people should have to deal with the consequences of their actions then you cannot permit abortion IMO. It doesn't mesh as part of the Libertarian Platform any more than it meshes with faith in God and Jesus Christ.
 
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I have a lot of libertarian leanings but I find several things in their platform contradictory. One thing is legalizing all drugs for recreational use. They say that nothing should be illegal if it doesn't affect other when drug use does affect others. It affects people like me that have been burglarized several times when the sole motivation was getting money for drugs. It affects the tax payer when we have to support people that can't fend for themselves because of drug addiction. If drugs truly didn't affect others negatively I wouldn't have a problem with people putting whatever in their bodies. But the fact remains that it does affect people negatively.

It goes back to the personal responsibility thing. If people want to use drugs then so be it. However, as you stated, drugs cause other issues in a society. They increase crime, both violent and non-violent. They increase the number of accidental deaths. They increase medical costs when someone ODs or becomes addicted forcing the rest of society to pay for their addiction. Libertarians believe in personal responsibility, which I am most definitely in favor of, but they lean a little to close to lawlessness for me on many issues.
 
So the dems are mad at libertarians saying we cost them the election. Personally I think people just got fed up with the aggressive PC agenda. So all you Trump sheep you're welcome-now lets see what kind of sh!t show we get for the next four years and hope we don't start world war III.

Conservatives voted for GJ much more so than left people. They just don't want to blame themselves for putting up an elitist, corrupt candidate who had to rig the primary to even get close.
 
It goes back to the personal responsibility thing. If people want to use drugs then so be it. However, as you stated, drugs cause other issues in a society. They increase crime, both violent and non-violent. They increase the number of accidental deaths. They increase medical costs when someone ODs or becomes addicted forcing the rest of society to pay for their addiction. Libertarians believe in personal responsibility, which I am most definitely in favor of, but they lean a little to close to lawlessness for me on many issues.

Eggs Actly
 
I have a lot of libertarian leanings but I find several things in their platform contradictory. One thing is legalizing all drugs for recreational use. They say that nothing should be illegal if it doesn't affect other when drug use does affect others. It affects people like me that have been burglarized several times when the sole motivation was getting money for drugs. It affects the tax payer when we have to support people that can't fend for themselves because of drug addiction. If drugs truly didn't affect others negatively I wouldn't have a problem with people putting whatever in their bodies. But the fact remains that it does affect people negatively.

So you were burglarized for drug money, while drugs are illegal...are you saying if drugs were legal that would happen more? That logic makes no sense. It is the drug war that makes drugs harder to get and drives up the cost, can you understand that?

Also I don't necessarily think ALL drugs should be legal. If drugs cause a physical addiction and can be easily lethal than no they should not be legal. Shouldmarijuana be a class 1 narcotic? Of course not. Everyone has issues with their parties' platforms but compared to the others and the incestuous nature of the two party system I choose libertarian and I push for awareness not necessarily blind following.
 
I have a lot of libertarian leanings but I find several things in their platform contradictory. One thing is legalizing all drugs for recreational use. They say that nothing should be illegal if it doesn't affect other when drug use does affect others. It affects people like me that have been burglarized several times when the sole motivation was getting money for drugs. It affects the tax payer when we have to support people that can't fend for themselves because of drug addiction. If drugs truly didn't affect others negatively I wouldn't have a problem with people putting whatever in their bodies. But the fact remains that it does affect people negatively.

Legalizing ALL drugs is not the party platform. Some extreme libertarians believe that, but Marijuana is the only consensus drug they (we) think should be legal.

And there are plenty of pro life Libertarians too. But at the worst, they believe in states' rights which would effectively end abortion in the majority of the country.
 
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So basically you are against the party because of abortion. They are [pro-choice across the board, not just with abortions as you stated-accept the responsibility of the choices you make. They also very firmly believe it is up to the states to decide their own laws so maybe live in a state that suits your beliefs?

Also I'd like to hear Trump's views on abortion...like his real ones not the lip service he paid to get elected.

We have a viable candidate and hopefully the growth of the party will bring out an even more viable one next election. Its pretty obvious the old rules are out the window now so its time to make some noise.

I'm realistic about abortion. It can never be outlawed, but I don't think it's too much to ask that mushing up a fully developed 9 month old BABY be called what it is...and outlawed.
 
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It goes back to the personal responsibility thing. If people want to use drugs then so be it. However, as you stated, drugs cause other issues in a society. They increase crime, both violent and non-violent. They increase the number of accidental deaths. They increase medical costs when someone ODs or becomes addicted forcing the rest of society to pay for their addiction. Libertarians believe in personal responsibility, which I am most definitely in favor of, but they lean a little to close to lawlessness for me on many issues.

keep fighting that drug war you are #winning
 
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So you were burglarized for drug money, while drugs are illegal...are you saying if drugs were legal that would happen more? That logic makes no sense. It is the drug war that makes drugs harder to get and drives up the cost, can you understand that?

Also I don't necessarily think ALL drugs should be legal. If drugs cause a physical addiction and can be easily lethal than no they should not be legal. Shouldmarijuana be a class 1 narcotic? Of course not. Everyone has issues with their parties' platforms but compared to the others and the incestuous nature of the two party system I choose libertarian and I push for awareness not necessarily blind following.

If you are a drug abuser to the point that you can't make a living, it doesn't matter how much the drugs cost. You you to find some way to pay for them. Sure, I agree some people can use drugs and be productive members of society but many can't. I have friends that make six figures and smoke pot. I don't have a problem with those people as long as they're responsible, i.e. not driving under the influence. But their are a lot of people that are are on OXy, Hydros, Meth, Crack, and heroine that can't sustain a normal life and are a drain on society. As an employer, I've witnessed it first hand. Iv'e had to cut people loose that I didn't want to because when not under the influence were quality employees but when they were, which was often, were a danger to them and those around them.
 
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