2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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Orangedogsrule said:
But being a batshiet crazy globalist with a 21 times Lolita "pedophile" Express husband who, as POTUS, sucked on cigars shoved up his interns twat and his undersecretaty of state said this...
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“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”
Strobe Talbot, President Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.
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is preferable, eh?

You're political rants are as much ding dong bell as HiLIARly is crazy.
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Yet somehow, you think Trump giving Putin a reach around is preferable.
 
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AM64 said:
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About a week ago in this thread you told me it was impossible to have freedom without violating the freedoms of others



If your freedom of speech permits you to drown out a funeral or to block what a speaker has to say, then very obviously, your freedom violates the freedom of others. If your freedom to drive in any manner that you want causes you to run down someone crossing the street in accordance with a traffic signal, then you have obviously violated that person's freedom. Will that suffice or do you need more?

Freedom comes with responsibility - at least rational freedom - and that automatically means that there is no such thing as unfettered freedom that doesn't potentially trample another's freedom. Can my freedom and your freedom exist in harmony? Yes, if there's enough separation to provide isolation.
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The issue was the other person didn't argue that your freedoms can interfere with those of others, but that they always do.

And unless my freedom does interfere with someone else's, it should not be legislated.

For example:

Manufacturing, selling, and using heroin.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
But being a batshiet crazy globalist with a 21 times Lolita "pedophile" Express husband who, as POTUS, sucked on cigars shoved up his interns twat and his undersecretary of state said this...
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“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”
Strobe Talbot, President Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.
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is preferable, eh?

You're political rants are as much ding dong bell as HiLIARly is crazy.
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Trump has ties to the same pedophile and rode on his plane too.
 
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volprof said:
Thank you, Captain Obvious.

The poster in question's response to the original comment at question was in reference to something making his post completely ridiculous.
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No it wasn't. You are too far up your own ass to see the hypocrisy.

You have declared yourself smarter than most on here, especially me. Yet, your grand intelligence doesn't show you what's between the lines in my posts...
 
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Obsessed said:
No it wasn't. You are too far up your own ass to see the hypocrisy.

You have declared yourself smarter than most on here, especially me. Yet, your grand intelligence doesn't show you what's between the lines in my posts...
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Hey, hey, hey, let's watch about throwing around the "grand" term on here.
 
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Blacks for Trump? Donald Trump is set to get the highest amount of AA voters since 1960..two of his plans that many blacks like are believe it or not stop and frisk and school vouchers


Black Likely Voters for TRUMP @Rasmussen_Poll
Oct 3 - 9%
Oct 6 - 12%
Oct 7 - 13%
Oct 10 - 14%
Oct 11 - 19%
Oct 12 - 19%
Oct 13 - 24% !
Oct 14 - 18%
Oct 17 - 17%
Oct 18 - 19%
Oct 19 - 18%
Oct 20 - 15%
Oct 21 - 16%
Oct 24 - 15%
 
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VolnJC said:
Blacks for Trump? Donald Trump is set to get the highest amount of AA voters since 1960..two of his plans that many blacks like are believe it or not stop and frisk and school vouchers


Black Likely Voters for TRUMP @Rasmussen_Poll
Oct 3 - 9%
Oct 6 - 12%
Oct 7 - 13%
Oct 10 - 14%
Oct 11 - 19%
Oct 12 - 19%
Oct 13 - 24% !
Oct 14 - 18%
Oct 17 - 17%
Oct 18 - 19%
Oct 19 - 18%
Oct 20 - 15%
Oct 21 - 16%
Oct 24 - 15%
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Hahha funny, given The breaking news tonight of more proof of housing discrimination by the trump organization. I'm sure the headline "we don't rent to The N word" is going to do wonders for his poll numbers with African Americans.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Hahha funny, given The breaking news tonight of more proof of housing discrimination by the trump organization. I'm sure the headline "we don't rent to The N word" is going to do wonders for his poll numbers with African Americans.
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Yeah because Blacks For Trumps didn't trend all day long on Twitter either did it? The old DNC playbook isn't working like it used to

Trump being given the Ellis Island Award contributing to the conditions of inner city black youths w/Muhammad Ali & Rosa Parks. Hello Media?
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This is one of my faves!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxcAN0t6GrI

also very proud of this young AA Trump supporter..notice the hate from the Hillary supporters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIj9jmf4mSM

and then the poor kid received death threats for voicing his opinion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLOEmHmEIwA
 
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Vol8188 said:
The issue was the other person didn't argue that your freedoms can interfere with those of others, but that they always do.

And unless my freedom does interfere with someone else's, it should not be legislated.

For example:

Manufacturing, selling, and using heroin.
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I agree with you, but consider this. If you use heroin, I don't care - not my problem. However, it is my right not to have to pay for health problems or joblessness you might incur due to use; I have every right to insist you stay off the road if your incapacitation may cause me or anyone I care about harm; if I were your employer I would have every right to insist that your use did not affect job performance.

I also agree with you about free speech, but we have a problem there - what are the limits. I personally find flag burning and dishonoring national traditions offensive; however, those are apparently acceptable. I find sexual and racial remarks offensive, and in some instances those are considered workplace harassment or hate offenses. So while someone may not tell a story or joke with sexual connotation, gay people are free to demonstrate their "pride" with indifference to others. That is a very marked contradiction, which I think has a lot to do with liberalism and liberals' belief that only they know what is "right" and the willingness to force others to accept. Funny how "acceptance" and "rights" can be a one way thing. A "quote for the day" that I've always remembered from military training a long time ago went something like "To earn respect, you have to show respect." Something a lot of people need to learn.

Freedom has an attached responsibility to respect others, and that is something people today have a problem remembering. Some laws are laws because some people have too little respect for others. Many of us - including you and me - don't agree with some of those laws; we might even agree about the responsibility attached to freedom.
 
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AM64 said:
I agree with you, but consider this. If you use heroin, I don't care - not my problem. However, it is my right not to have to pay for health problems or joblessness you might incur due to use; I have every right to insist you stay off the road if your incapacitation may cause me or anyone I care about harm; if I were your employer I would have every right to insist that your use did not affect job performance.

I also agree with you about free speech, but we have a problem there - what are the limits. I personally find flag burning and dishonoring national traditions offensive; however, those are apparently acceptable. I find sexual and racial remarks offensive, and in some instances those are considered workplace harassment or hate offenses. So while someone may not tell a story or joke with sexual connotation, gay people are free to demonstrate their "pride" with indifference to others. That is a very marked contradiction, which I think has a lot to do with liberalism and liberals' belief that only they know what is "right" and the willingness to force others to accept. Funny how "acceptance" and "rights" can be a one way thing. A "quote for the day" that I've always remembered from military training a long time ago went something like "To earn respect, you have to show respect." Something a lot of people need to learn.

Freedom has an attached responsibility to respect others, and that is something people today have a problem remembering. Some laws are laws because some people have too little respect for others. Many of us - including you and me - don't agree with some of those laws; we might even agree about the responsibility attached to freedom.
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Freedom does not have a responsibility attached to it. It stands by itself.

You have a right to your life and property. A violation of those rights are separate and independent of any other freedom.
 
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VolnJC said:
Blacks for Trump? Donald Trump is set to get the highest amount of AA voters since 1960..two of his plans that many blacks like are believe it or not stop and frisk and school vouchers


Black Likely Voters for TRUMP @Rasmussen_Poll
Oct 3 - 9%
Oct 6 - 12%
Oct 7 - 13%
Oct 10 - 14%
Oct 11 - 19%
Oct 12 - 19%
Oct 13 - 24% !
Oct 14 - 18%
Oct 17 - 17%
Oct 18 - 19%
Oct 19 - 18%
Oct 20 - 15%
Oct 21 - 16%
Oct 24 - 15%
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Rasmussen is one of the worst pollsters to exist in the United States. The poll is so bad that Scott Rasmussen was fired from his own company after his polls had Romney beating Obama by 2 and Obama won by 4. Rasmussen polls no lost all credibility and as usual is the only major pollster saying this.
 
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carlos86 said:
Rasmussen is one of the worst pollsters to exist in the United States. The poll is so bad that Scott Rasmussen was fired from his own company after his polls had Romney beating Obama by 2 and Obama won by 4. Rasmussen polls no lost all credibility and as usual is the only major pollster saying this.
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Yep, ignore the ones that you don't like and embrace the others.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
RCP also uses them in their averages
RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Do you lie for a living? IBD also showing Trump getting 15% of black/hispanic voters

Clinton vs. Trump: IBD/TIPP Presidential Election Tracking Poll | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD
 
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carlos86 said:
Rasmussen is one of the worst pollsters to exist in the United States. The poll is so bad that Scott Rasmussen was fired from his own company after his polls had Romney beating Obama by 2 and Obama won by 4. Rasmussen polls no lost all credibility and as usual is the only major pollster saying this.
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I'm not saying it will happen, but if Trump wins I'll be the first to post the "Eat Crow Carlos Thread"
 
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Obsessed said:
No it wasn't. You are too far up your own ass to see the hypocrisy.

You have declared yourself smarter than most on here, especially me. Yet, your grand intelligence doesn't show you what's between the lines in my posts...
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Something I don't understand about some of you, besides being Trump supporters, is that every single one of us on here is arrogant and thinks himself smarter than most others on here.

Then I come along, state what everyone on here thinks about himself, and you all get your underwear in a wad.

Stop lying to yourselves.
 
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volprof said:
Something I don't understand about some of you, besides being Trump supporters, is that every single one of us on here is arrogant and thinks himself smarter than most others on here.

Then I come along, state what everyone on here thinks about himself, and you all get your underwear in a wad.

Stop lying to yourselves.
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Shocking that arrogant people react poorly to other arrogant people.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I'm not saying it will happen, but if Trump wins I'll be the first to post the "Eat Crow Carlos Thread"
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Everybody is cherry picking polls at this point. You can literally find one for any narrative you want to push.... and if you can't, just call them all rigged or oversampled. I've never seen anything like it.
 
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volprof said:
Something I don't understand about some of you, besides being Trump supporters, is that every single one of us on here is arrogant and thinks himself smarter than most others on here.

Then I come along, state what everyone on here thinks about himself, and you all get your underwear in a wad.

Stop lying to yourselves.
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I was raised to believe "if everyone else around you seems to be the problem, you're part of the problem."
 
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Mr_Henley said:
I was raised to believe "if everyone else around you seems to be the problem, you're part of the problem."
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Everyone else around me here are not the problem. Never said they are. There's plenty of folks here whose opinions I respect and admire.

However, the opinions of bigots, misogynists, people who never once consult logic, and of those who blame their problems almost completely on another group of Americans, I do have a problem with. I can neither respect nor admire their opinions, and I am smarter than them. You should feel the same.
 
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