To Protect and to Serve II

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volbeast33 said:
It's not mental gymnastics..... It's common sense.... If a cop pulls his/her weapon on you put your hands where they can see them and don't move.... You don't have to drop to your knees and bow to the cops...... Watch some of the videos where the cops hesitate and try to talk to the guy and how quick they ended up shot before they can react.... My personal opinion is that this is.a bad shoot before hearing all the evidence yet. That still doesn't change the fact that the man would be alive if he had followed those two simple steps.

IMO, these cop shootings are a simple fix.... Educate the public on how to handle interactions with police and what the police reaponsibilities are in those situations.... More training for the police.... Make sure we have high quality body cameras for all the police....create a federal level mixed race/sex judicial review board to review all cop shootings.....after the investigation is completed tell the reasons for punishment or the reasons why it was a good shoot if at all possible in our sue happy society.
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All the money that is already pumped into law enforcement in this country, and you want more to be spent. That makes 0 sense from a cost-benefit analysis perspective.
What needs to happen is a complete repeal of most of the laws on the books. End the drug war, repeal every victimless crime law on the books. Actual crimes are when persons or property suffer damage.

Do that and use the money saved to target actual violent criminals who are out there. This would also lessen to stress/burden on cops.This stuff doesn't have to be hard. But, we live in a country where law doesn't have a damn thing to do with justice, and everything to do with obedience.

No, let's not set up any federal review board. If that is even to be considered, it must be privately funded and operated.

Also, ending qualified immunity across the board would do a lot to help the situation. Badges do not grant extra rights.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Agreed. The BLM crowd is funded by Soros anyways and need to be ignored. They are paid to do exactly what they have been doing, which is racial fragmenting the country.

Cops of all races kill civilians of all races. That is the problem. Not white cops and black civilians.
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On this you and I agree 100%
 
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volbeast33 said:
Watch the videos where they go through shooting training...... It takes a split second to be shot bayou decide to hesitate....it's why this guy and every other person should stand there with their hands up and not move so the cop doesn't have to make that choice. You never know what the cop just came from either which can affect the outcome of this situation.
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I understand that and have had similar training. I think they oversell it and overly rely on lethal force when dealing with certain situations, but agree that you don't always know everything from these videos.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The only reason I had heard about this case (until now) is because BLM people have been blowing up about it. Go figure.
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This case proves what others and myself have been saying. The problem with cops goes across racial/ethnic lines. It is their culture and their training that is the problem.
 
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Scumbag... taking taxpayers hard earned Christmas money.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svo-c9P3rHc[/youtube]
 
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n_huffhines said:
[youtube]http://youtu.be/p_V1CkUe04E[/youtube]
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If you have a good DUI attorney, they can be beaten. I won't say "easily" but, all the attorney has to do is plant the seed of doubt and it can be thrown out.

The biggest deciding factor for impairment on a DUI, Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus (involuntary jerking of the eye), is not something you can present into evidence unless you also happen to be a physician due to its complexity but is used towards the totality of circumstances.

The injuries she sustained due to the wreck are enough to throw out her inability to pass FST's. I won't armchair QB this officer's decision to arrest because I could literally be in the exact situation tomorrow.

Not an easy call.

And the search was a search incident to arrest, completely legal. He used his thumb for the inside of her chest, a common hiding spot for drugs. All things being equal, you'd call for a female officer to do that search but staffing doesn't alway dictate that.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
If you have a good DUI attorney, they can be beaten. I won't say "easily" but, all the attorney has to do is plant the seed of doubt and it can be thrown out.

The biggest deciding factor for impairment on a DUI, Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus (involuntary jerking of the eye), is not something you can present into evidence unless you also happen to be a physician due to its complexity but is used towards the totality of circumstances.

The injuries she sustained due to the wreck are enough to throw out her inability to pass FST's. I won't armchair QB this officer's decision to arrest because I could literally be in the exact situation tomorrow.

Not an easy call.

And the search was a search incident to arrest, completely legal. He used his thumb for the inside of her chest, a common hiding spot for drugs. All things being equal, you'd call for a female officer to do that search but staffing doesn't alway dictate that.
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For the sake of everyone involved, wouldn't it have been better to instead wait for a warrant to search a citizen on the roadside (assuming the cop had probable cause to search) instead of a female officer? I think we gloss over the fact that many of these road side stops and searches are 4th Amendment violations. Or am I asking for too much?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
For the sake of everyone involved, wouldn't it have been better to instead wait for a warrant to search a citizen on the roadside (assuming the cop had probable cause to search) instead of a female officer? I think we gloss over the fact that many of these road side stops and searches are 4th Amendment violations. Or am I asking for too much?
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Once your under arrest, you're immediately searched, hence "Search Incident to Arrest."

This wasn't a roadside search, from what I can tell, it was a wreck where the female subject exhibited signs of impairment which necessitated Field Sobriety Tasks, which she failed and was placed under arrest.

As I explained before, her injuries are enough to introduce doubt in a juror that would cause her to fail the walk and turn and one leg stand but, the eye test is, by far, the best indicator of impairment but also the hardest to introduce into evidence.
 
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Looks like Layton, Utah? Suburb ofor salt lake? My dad lived there when stationed at Hill. Spent 4 summers there. Awesome place. Seems like 4 out of 5 Mormon girls are blondes. Crazy.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Once your under arrest, you're immediately searched, hence "Search Incident to Arrest."
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Which leads to another question, why she placed under arrest?

So you're saying that it is common practice to go up to an accident, arrest a party in the accident (keep in mind she was the person that called the police), and THEN pat them down and search them with no probable cause?
 
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